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08-04-2006, 10:35 AM
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08-04-2006, 11:22 AM
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#62 | | the old Sage
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Country:  | Charles are you pointing to 1942 with the destruction of Il-2 with his Kanonvögel ? The 87G-1 with 3.7cm was not available till 1943. My full understanding is that the rear gunner claimed 1 Soviet a/c and that Rüdel actually shot down the rest of the Soviet a/c in a Fw 190F. there are a few discrepencies in his own work and works by others on this graound attack pilot, Rüdel flying a variety of Ju 87's, Fw 190's including the Dora 9 | |
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08-04-2006, 06:46 PM
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Country: | I was pointing to the IL-2 claim, the date just happen to be in the tail of the arrow, The Il-2 destroyed with the 3,7 cm BK flying the Ju-87 G is noted in his book "stuka pilot"
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08-05-2006, 03:53 AM
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#64 | | Hairy one of Old Judea
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Country:  | Regardless of the man's politics. He was a fine pilot and apparently a fine human being as well. Simply fighting for your country to the best of your ability does not necessarily make you a follower of those in power.
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06-22-2007, 04:39 PM
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Country:  | Just to let everyone know, Han Ulrich Rudel was a fine human being, unlike the prick and fanatical Nazi, Erich Hartmann. Apparently, the two were locked up in the same prison during American captivity and they hated each other. I heard this from a former Luftwaffe pilot. | |
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06-22-2007, 04:45 PM
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#66 | | the old Sage
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Country: | did you now ? well lets here the former Luftwaffe pilots name that makes the claim through you shall we ??
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06-22-2007, 06:01 PM
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Country: | I think that Rudel and Hartmann never share a imprisoment, Rudel handed over himself to the U.S Army , Hartmann do the same but was snatched from the american truck by a soviet armored column.   Oberst Rudel's Ju 87 G-2 Crashed at Kitzingen
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06-23-2007, 09:12 AM
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#68 | | Der Crewchief
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Originally Posted by goonboy  Just to let everyone know, Han Ulrich Rudel was a fine human being, unlike the prick and fanatical Nazi, Erich Hartmann. Apparently, the two were locked up in the same prison during American captivity and they hated each other. I heard this from a former Luftwaffe pilot. | And did you know Hartmann personally to be able to say that. Not every German was a Nazi....
Second people that have met Hartmann as he flew in the United States after the war say the exact opposite of what you say.
I suggest that you dont make stupid comments like that unless you have actual facts.
Also another thing that I just noticed about your post. Hartmann was never really in American Captivity. He surrendured to the US 90th Infantry Division along with his ground crew and the fellow pilots of HIS suadron and was handed over to the Russians. He was in Russian Captivity until until 1955.
Please get your facts straight again, do some research before you post rubbish.
...Jackson 
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06-23-2007, 09:39 AM
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Country: | To call "prick" an great ace like Hartmann would make goonboy get kicked inmediatly from several forums that I know. 
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06-23-2007, 09:44 AM
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#70 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | I considered doing it myself, buy then decided to wait for his childish response (that is deffinatly going to come) before I do so.
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06-24-2007, 12:35 AM
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#71 | | IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO
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Originally Posted by goonboy Just to let everyone know, Han Ulrich Rudel was a fine human being, unlike the prick and fanatical Nazi, Erich Hartmann. Apparently, the two were locked up in the same prison during American captivity and they hated each other. I heard this from a former Luftwaffe pilot. | Who was the pilot, Gottfied Dulias?
I have met people from Lockheed and from the USAF who knew Hartman and they had the utmost respect for the man and he was far from a fanatical Nazi!
Flat out, you're either very naive, uneducated or just a plain imbicile.
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06-24-2007, 03:32 AM
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04-18-2008, 12:02 AM
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Country: | Regarding kill score inflation, I am willing to concede that COUNTRIES always exaggerated their kill scores (e.g. the Battle of Britain), but does that mean that individual PILOTS did as well?
Didn't the German system of tallying kills require independent corroboration? | |
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04-18-2008, 04:27 AM
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Country: | I have a question. Who was the second highest scoring "tank Ace"? How do you corroborate ground attack claims. How sure can we be of the alleged 700 kills (or thereabouts) attributed to Rudel. Are there similar records for the Soviets, Brits and Americans? I am having difficulty understanding how the claims can be so precise. Was Rudel used by the Nazis as a propaganda tool? Before you kill me for saying that, its a genuine question
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04-19-2008, 02:23 AM
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Country:  | I think the ground attack claims are most unreliable ones , bot on axis and on allied side.
Germans had sometimes an overclaim percentage up to 50%, Russians - even greater.
and the true effectivness of any Ju-87 or Il-2 pilot should be judged only by amount of combat sorties flown. Soviet Bmr Aces of WW2
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