'Japanese' bravery

[syscom3]

They were concentration camps. If you were on the wrong side of the wire, you got shot.

[Haztoys]

If you say so...

Jail I'm sure it was ...Concentration camp it was not ...One more time ...No one was gassed or worked to death or killed just because they were Japanese...

And they were still not the right thing to do to the Japanese...

[syscom3]

Originally Posted by Haztoys

If you say so...

Jail I'm sure it was ...Concentration camp it was not ...One more time ...No one was gassed or worked to death or killed just because they were Japanese...

And they were still not the right thing to do to the Japanese...

There was only one type of person in the camps. Japanese civilians.

And the penalty for being outside the wire was to be shot. Just like what the Nazi's did.

If it looks like a camp, feels like a camp, and does the same thing like a camp .... then it is a camp.

[Theo]

I hope the forum doesn't think I'm some kind of troll for posting what I did. I don't hate Dan Inouye. The ring incident is something that stuck in my mind since I read the article back in 1993. I thought it was a really big deal back then. He cut the finger off a dead woman to get a diamond ring. His arm is later blown off with the ring and a doctor has to snip his finger to get the ring. Now that's karma or bachi as the Japanese say.

Too bad Teruo Ihara, the storyteller, died in 2003.

Inouye is no different from other politicians that used their war experience to bolster their careers such as JFK or LBJ. You all read about JFK bravely rescuing the crew of the PT109.

[seesul]

Syscom:
In fact there´s no difference in the meaning of the words concentration and interment camp, but Nazis changed the meaning of the ''concentration camp''. That´s why the people here don´t want to hear about Japanese beeing held in ''concentration camps'', neither me. I´d better call it interment camps.
If you wanna see what´s a concentration camp, go to
http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/ww2...nau-11649.html (The 63rd Anniversary of the Liberation of Auschwitz-Birkenau)
Don´t know if you ever saw a concentration camp. I was in Auschwitz and there you can see the meaning of the worlds ''concentration camp''.

And something from Wikipedia:
The term concentration camp lost some of its original meaning after Nazi concentration camps were discovered, and has ever since been understood to refer to a place of mistreatment, starvation, forced labour, and murder. The expression since then has only been used in this extremely pejorative sense; no government or organization has used it to describe its own facilities, using instead terms such as internment camp, resettlement camp, detention facility, etc, regardless of the actual circumstances of the camp, which can vary a great deal.

In the 20th century the arbitrary internment of civilians by the state became more common and reached a climax with Nazi concentration camps and the practice of genocide in Nazi extermination camps, and with the Gulag system of forced labor camps of the Soviet Union. As a result of this trend, the term "concentration camp" carries many of the connotations of "extermination camp" and is sometimes used synonymously. A concentration camp, however, is not by definition a death-camp. For example, many of the slave labor camps were used as cheap or free sources of factory labor for the manufacture of war materials and other goods.

Indeed, in terming their camps "concentration camps," the Nazis were using a mundane term to mask something far more horrific than the word had previously meant, similar to their usage of the term 'Ghetto.' Previously, ghettos had been separate, usually walled-in Jewish Quarters designed to segregate Jews from outside society and "protect" them from their neighbors. The Ghettos in occupied Europe were far more brutal, however. After the war some of the German built concentration camps remained in operation. Some camps were used by Poland for extracting Forced labor from ethnic German civilians prior to their expulsion. Camps included Polish camps such as those run by Salomon Morel and Czesław Gęborski. For example Central Labour Camp Jaworzno, Central Labour Camp Potulice, Łambinowice, Zgoda labour camp and others

Internment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[syscom3]

Theres two types of camps. Death camps and concentration camps.

The Germans only had one type of camp. A death camp because, anyone who went into one, was eventually going to die.

Saying they are "Internment camps" is just sugar coating what a concentration camp really is. People thrown into a jail like setting for no cause, without rights and treated like animals.

Then there is always that issue of being shot without warning for being on the wrong side of the fence.

[seesul]

Originally Posted by syscom3

Theres two types of camps. Death camps and concentration camps.

The Germans only had one type of camp. A death camp because, anyone who went into one, was eventually going to die.

Saying they are "Internment camps" is just sugar coating what a concentration camp really is. People thrown into a jail like setting for no cause, without rights and treated like animals.

Then there is always that issue of being shot without warning for being on the wrong side of the fence.

do you really thik the japs were treated like animals there?
i don´t have much info about it so if you know some link post it please.
and if someone speaks about concentration camp today, everyone imagines nazi death camp

[kaigunair]

I too am a jpn-american. While we hear of the jpn-american internment/concentration camps as consiting of Americans of Jpn descent who were living in the west coast areas, there was a population of Hawaiian Japaness Americans who were sent to camps. These citizen were usually involved in the jpn-american community or business community, and were targed because they were citizen leaders, who naturally did talk to people (and relatives!) back in japan. None were ever convicted.

When I visited Hawaii a few years ago, I picked up a book on these hawaiian jpn-americans (airplane reading material): Ganbare! by Saiki, Patsy

While I'm not surprised not many mainlanders or even Katonks (me) know much about the internment camps, let alone the hawaiian ones, I am alittle surprised that a "buddah-head" (no offense meant: the 442nd are my heros and I like to throw around their diction when I have the chance) would say no hawaiian jpn-american was send to camps...

JCCH*:*Hawaii Internees Story

[timshatz]

From what I've read, the idea of putting the Japanese on the West Coast in Camps (Concentration or Custody or whatever you want to call it) came out of the Roosevelt Administration. Right after Pearl Harbor, there was considerable concern that the Japanese population had persons in that were of questionable loyalty, to put it simply, deep cover plants.

Roosevelt (and a few others of his administration) wanted to put them in Camps to keep an eye on them. Hoover thought the FBI could root out the problem ones if given the time and resources. Roosevelt won out and Japanese (naturalized, American born and enemy alien) were put in camps. The zone in which this occured was pretty much along the West Coast, inland states (for the most part) did not send Japanese to camps (Unless they were enemy aliens and then they were obligated to go by rules of war).

However, the same question came up in the East with the Italians and Germans and the Germans in the Midwest. In those cases, Hoover won out. Individuals registered with the FBI, had to turn in weapons and radios and keep the Feds informed if they went anywhere.

It seems the focus was more on where the external threat was and who might be a possible ally to that threat that anything else. If Pearl Harbor was on the East Coast and Germany/Italy had a capable fleet, it is entirely possible the same occurence would've happened on the East Coast.

[Njaco]

From what I've read, the idea of putting the Japanese on the West Coast in Camps (Concentration or Custody or whatever you want to call it) came out of the Roosevelt Administration.

But no one has trampled the civil rights of people as much as our current pres. Right?

I use the term Internment as a way to distinguish between those of the Axis and here in the US.

[timshatz]

[QUOTE=Njaco;389611]But no one has trampled the civil rights of people as much as our current pres. Right?
QUOTE]

Lincoln. Tossed people in jail almost at random and didn't bother to try them. When the Supreme Court ruled against the detainments, he ignored them. He briefly considered tossing the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court in jail as well.

Even if Bush did a tenth of the things they say he did, he'd still come up way, way short of Lincoln.

[Theo]

Originally Posted by kaigunair

I too am a jpn-american. While we hear of the jpn-american internment/concentration camps as consiting of Americans of Jpn descent who were living in the west coast areas, there was a population of Hawaiian Japaness Americans who were sent to camps. These citizen were usually involved in the jpn-american community or business community, and were targed because they were citizen leaders, who naturally did talk to people (and relatives!) back in japan. None were ever convicted.

When I visited Hawaii a few years ago, I picked up a book on these hawaiian jpn-americans (airplane reading material): Ganbare! by Saiki, Patsy

While I'm not surprised not many mainlanders or even Katonks (me) know much about the internment camps, let alone the hawaiian ones, I am alittle surprised that a "buddah-head" (no offense meant: the 442nd are my heros and I like to throw around their diction when I have the chance) would say no hawaiian jpn-american was send to camps...

JCCH*:*Hawaii Internees Story

My father showed me an old prewar photo of himself with two IJN officers. He recalled that they came to Hawaii on a big battleship or cruiser. My father also travelled to Japan and returned to Hawaii just before the war started and he was never interned, under suspicion, or even harassed in any way. In fact in 1945 he was drafted into the US army and sent to occupy Germany. Maybe it is true that a few JAs in Hawaii were interned but it wasn't common at all. My main point is that none of Dan Inouye's family was interned as someone implied.

[Soundbreaker Welch?]

If FDR could imprison somebody, couldn't Barack Obama do the same?

Sorry about that, that's politics.

I do think the Japanese who fought for the United States were gallent fellows, particularly the ones who had family members in camps.

I can understand somewhat why the US goverment did it, if you watch movie serials like Batman 1943 with a Jap as the main villian. I bet people were scared by stuff like that.

[Theo]

Now that I think about it, I've read a few accounts of Hawaii JAs being arrested for flying the Japanese flag and celebrating Hirohito's birthday during the war. It is also well known that a Japanese pilot was assisted by local Japanese after he crashed landed on Niihau. They too were arrested.

It seems the attitude here among many of the Hawaii JAs was that Japan would win the war and they would quietly root for Japan.

I've read that the period was rife with rumors such as the IJN was preparing to land on Hawaii. A crowd actually gathered one day on the big island, because it was rumored that a fleet of Japanese ships would be sailing by the coast. When news that Japan was losing the war reached here, many were saddened and openly wept when the news was read to them at community gatherings.

However we see that there was no wholesale internment like there was on the west coast just because of the logistics. There were just too many JAs in Hawaii for that to happen.

[B-17engineer]

Weren't some Japanese AMericans deployed into Monte Cassino? I watched a show called World War II Battlefront and thay said that