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10-30-2007, 04:54 PM
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| Here's a cool print I came across:
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__________________ August 12, 1944 - In an armor cover mission at the Falaise track, Charlie Rife, 368th FG, 395th FS, takes 37mm fllak rounds to both wings. His wingman, Richard Kik, takes a 20mm round to the engine that knocks out two cylinders. Both make it back.  
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10-30-2007, 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by delcyros  There were so many experimental variants of the -262 around that it is well within possibilities. Add f.e. the drop snoot variant and it matches the above report quite nicely... | Except for the wing and to a lesser extent the nacelles. The statement that the wings were tapered at both edges (trapizoidal) is what really made me think of the Ar-234.
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10-30-2007, 07:07 PM
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#33 | | the old Sage
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Country: | I go back to my statement, a Me 262A-2 of KG 51 or 54 on ground attack duties which they were famous for even in the jet. as I said mis-id with all the confusion going on who is going to sit there and watch combat take place when it is right in front of you and everyone is yelling in the chaos. the Me 163 was ordered for US bomber killing not to engage US fighters, and by the time US had entered well into Germany I. u.II./JG 400 were running for their lives from the Soviets
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10-30-2007, 10:08 PM
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Country: | But as I said if the P-47s were on a bombing mission and there were still some flight ready Me-163s near by.... | |
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10-30-2007, 10:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Soren Not saying it was a Me-163 but I can't think of any other tail-less LW fighter. | . . . except the Gotha (Horten) Go 229, which never reached operational status (that we know of!). However, it definitely would've had the endurance to fly around and shoot at P-47's.
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10-30-2007, 10:55 PM
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Country: | But I don't think the Ho-229 could have pulled off the kind of maneuvers that were said to have been performed. It also didn't have te specific thrust to dive and climb like that.
The 229 was rather large, as it was originally conceived as a fast bomber/fighter-bomber, so I cant see it outmaneuvering, or outfighting a fighter, even one as heavy as the P-47. | |
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10-30-2007, 11:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Jank Here's a cool print I came across: | nice...
__________________ “that can’t be a prop job....it’s got to be one of the 262 jets.”.... James Finnegan.
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11-04-2007, 12:23 AM
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Country: | Does anyone have pictures of sketches of the Me-262 (or other jets/rockets) used by allied intelegence durring the war?
I found two here: Me262a in 1/48 and 1/72 but not anymore of yet...
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11-04-2007, 01:26 PM
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#39 | | Der Crewchief
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Originally Posted by kool kitty89 But I don't think the Ho-229 could have pulled off the kind of maneuvers that were said to have been performed. It also didn't have te specific thrust to dive and climb like that.
The 229 was rather large, as it was originally conceived as a fast bomber/fighter-bomber, so I cant see it outmaneuvering, or outfighting a fighter, even one as heavy as the P-47. | I honestly dont know how maneuverable the 229 was, but why do you think it would not be maneuverable eneogh?
__________________  US Army Blackhawk Crewchief 2000-2006 Classic ww2aircraft.net quotes: fly boy said: "isn't that the first jet bomber? becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles" "wait what ok who made the b-2 crash come on people that messed up its a b-2" "ah yes the mistel those things are so annoying is games and in real life" | |
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11-04-2007, 10:54 PM
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Country: | I could be wrong but, its just so big and heavy, it was 55 ft wide and weighed over 15,000 lbs loaded (over 17,000 max), and as most flying wings it had poor yaw control, using wing-mounted air-brakes to turn, so lining up a shot woul be difficult. With that high surface area I don't see it turning that fast (again just speculation). I'm confident it could out-maneuver bombers but not most fighters. The 262 would have been more maneuverable and I still can't see it shooting down 4 Jugs alone without some trouble. Besides there is virtually no chance that some secret Ho-229 was deployed in the war. Even a Me-262 would loose a lot of airspeed pulling off somthing like that and by the third pass it's likely the Jugs would be prooving quite difficult to continue outflying them.
By the description given and the way it was said to mode the craft sounds verry much like a Me-163. | |
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11-05-2007, 12:25 PM
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#41 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | I agree there certainly was not a secret one in service, I was just wondering your thoughts. I too actually have allways thought the same thing because it was a flying wing design.
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11-06-2007, 02:05 AM
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11-06-2007, 03:36 PM
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Maby the Germans captured the Metrovick Meteor and that's what the T-Bolt pilot shot down in that Combat Account. That meteor crashed % months earlier though... or did it. Conspiracy?   I doubt it!!!
It fits the discription though, doesn't it. (for the "Me-262" I mean)
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11-06-2007, 04:46 PM
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Country: | Also what happened to Chingachook? I can't find why he was banned. | |
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11-07-2007, 06:29 AM
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Country: | He chose to cause problems and for that reason he was banned. There is no need for you to dig through the past to find out why he was banned. We moderators had our reasons and that is all you need to know.
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