Navy on Yorktown: Fix it or junk it - Page 2 - Aircraft of World War II

renrich · 10-25-2009, 12:34 PM

I believe the Intrepid is almost fully funded by private money, not federal funds. I have a close friend whose family was instrumental in preserving the Intrepid and that friend has kept me abreast of the happenings.

vikingBerserker · 10-25-2009, 06:12 PM

I'm still blown away they let the WW2 Enterprise go to the scrap heap.

ToughOmbre · 10-25-2009, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by vikingBerserker

I'm still blown away they let the WW2 Enterprise go to the scrap heap.

And the Nevada (BB-36). She was too old for retention in the post-war fleet, and was assigned to serve as a target during the July 1946 atomic bomb tests at Bikini, in the Marshall Islands. That experience left her damaged and radioactive, and she was formally decommissioned in August 1946. After two years of inactivity, USS Nevada was towed to sea off the Hawaiian islands and sunk by gunfire and torpedos.

Not the way that the only BB that got underway on December 7 should have met her end. Disgraceful!

TO

renrich · 10-26-2009, 12:07 PM

I agree with VB. If any ship of WW2 deserved to be preserved, it should have been Enterprise and that includes USS Texas. LOL

DBII · 10-26-2009, 05:18 PM

This would be a good public work project for the government. The Texas, BB-35, will be needing work again in a few years. The last of the dreadnaughts. I would hate to see any of them scraped. They should be in a perament dry dock so this does nto keep happening.

DBII

owen · 10-27-2009, 01:59 AM

The Navy DOES care. They are prohibited by law from providing funds
to a museum. There are mysterious ways around this like the DoD part-
icipation in the drydocking of Missouri. I wish I knew how it worked and
I wish it could YKTN. My understanding is that Intrepid was drydocked
with private and State of NY money.

Messy1 · 10-27-2009, 12:30 PM

If the Navy was able to contribute funds, where would it ever stop. I am sure they would be contacted for funds every time every ship or museum needed repairs. I am sure that would get expensive very quickly, and put a another burden on a military budget that is all ready under scrutiny and in danger if being trimmed down. What about turning some of these more historically significant museums into historic or national landmarks? Would they not be eligible for some type of government help? And maybe the money is not there either though.

renrich · 10-27-2009, 01:41 PM

Setting a precedent by using federal funds can be a problem We have an overload of federal programs that all have a life of their own. I do wish the federal government had stepped in and saved the Enterprise. Perhaps the most outstanding war record of any ship from any country for all time.

RabidAlien · 10-27-2009, 11:42 PM

Hmmm. Why not put some of my bailout tax dollars to good use and quit lining fatcat pockets with em?

Vassili Zaitzev · 10-27-2009, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by RabidAlien

Hmmm. Why not put some of my bailout tax dollars to good use and quit lining fatcat pockets with em?

Or some earmarks?

Messy1 · 10-28-2009, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by RabidAlien

Hmmm. Why not put some of my bailout tax dollars to good use and quit lining fatcat pockets with em?

Because that would make too much sense and be a great use of our tax payer dollars RA!

Plus, we cannot have that money taken away from the special interest groups, hate to see those guys miss out on the porkfest!

Messy1 · 10-28-2009, 01:20 PM

They do take donations online. I plan on donating what I can.

http://www.patriotspoint.org/

JoeB · 10-28-2009, 03:53 PM

Those WWII memorial ships are valuable historical assets, but...there are just too many of them to support and maintain in the long run. I'm completely against spending federal money to maintain them unless the number of them is rationalized (ie reduced). Private orgs, localities and states chose to establish those museums, some (though not Yorktown) are not even particularly important ships, sometimes just because they were named for the state or locality. And I don't think bringing up other different cases of bad or excessive federal spending is a good counter argument. I'd probably agree with any criticism of federal waste you can name, but two wrongs don't make a right.

The Feds should either take over all of them as national parks and reduce the number to something sustainable in the long run, or not get involved. Realistically since the museums that can afford their ships for now won't turn them over, I think you at least wait until the number reduces by itself. For example I might support the last Essex being supported by the feds, but not Yorktown w/ Intrepid still around. Whichever of those the local museum can't afford, first, should just has to be allowed to go, IMO.

Joe

renrich · 10-28-2009, 04:26 PM

JB, agree emphatically. I do believe that USS Texas is maintained by the state. Is she the only dreadnought still left?

five4 · 11-17-2009, 09:31 AM

Yes,she is maintained by Texas Parks and Wildlife as a memorial at San Jacinto.The oldest steel warship afloat is the USS Olympia C6,moored at Penns Landing in Philadelphia,PA.Across the Delaware River in Camden,N.J. is the USS New Jersey BB62,the most decorated battleship in America with 16 Battle Stars,9-WWII,4-Korea,3-VN and Campaign Stars for Beirut,Lebanon and the Persian Gulf.

10-25-2009, 06:12 PM	#17
vikingBerserker Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: South Carolina Posts: 3,768	I'm still blown away they let the WW2 Enterprise go to the scrap heap. __________________ "Those who forget the past are condemned to repeat it" "Those who dwell in the past, condemn the future"

10-26-2009, 05:18 PM	#20
DBII Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 1,429	This would be a good public work project for the government. The Texas, BB-35, will be needing work again in a few years. The last of the dreadnaughts. I would hate to see any of them scraped. They should be in a perament dry dock so this does nto keep happening. DBII __________________ ~ Ladies and gentleman, this is your stewardess speaking. We regret any inconvenience the sudden cabin movement might have caused. This is due to periodic air pockets we encountered. There's no reason to be alarmed and we hope you enjoy the rest of your flight. By the way, is there anyone on board who knows how to fly a plane?~

10-27-2009, 01:59 AM	#21
owen Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 6	Funding The Navy DOES care. They are prohibited by law from providing funds to a museum. There are mysterious ways around this like the DoD part- icipation in the drydocking of Missouri. I wish I knew how it worked and I wish it could YKTN. My understanding is that Intrepid was drydocked with private and State of NY money.

10-27-2009, 12:30 PM	#22
Messy1 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Ankeny, Iowa Posts: 1,411	If the Navy was able to contribute funds, where would it ever stop. I am sure they would be contacted for funds every time every ship or museum needed repairs. I am sure that would get expensive very quickly, and put a another burden on a military budget that is all ready under scrutiny and in danger if being trimmed down. What about turning some of these more historically significant museums into historic or national landmarks? Would they not be eligible for some type of government help? And maybe the money is not there either though. __________________ Bryon O P-61 Black Widow-Mistress of the Night! "No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country." George S. Patton "Listen, strange women lyin' in ponds distributin' swords is no basis for a system of government." "Oh but if I went 'round sayin' I was Emperor, just because some moistened bint lobbed a scimitar at me, they'd put me away."

10-27-2009, 11:42 PM	#24
RabidAlien Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Hurst, Texas Posts: 2,827	Hmmm. Why not put some of my bailout tax dollars to good use and quit lining fatcat pockets with em? __________________ Pillage, then burn. Argue not with dragons, for thou art crunchy and go well on toast.

10-25-2009, 12:34 PM	#16
renrich Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Montrose, Colorado Posts: 3,271	I believe the Intrepid is almost fully funded by private money, not federal funds. I have a close friend whose family was instrumental in preserving the Intrepid and that friend has kept me abreast of the happenings.

10-26-2009, 12:07 PM	#19
renrich Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Montrose, Colorado Posts: 3,271	I agree with VB. If any ship of WW2 deserved to be preserved, it should have been Enterprise and that includes USS Texas. LOL

10-27-2009, 01:41 PM	#23
renrich Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Montrose, Colorado Posts: 3,271	Setting a precedent by using federal funds can be a problem We have an overload of federal programs that all have a life of their own. I do wish the federal government had stepped in and saved the Enterprise. Perhaps the most outstanding war record of any ship from any country for all time.

10-28-2009, 01:20 PM	#27
Messy1 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Ankeny, Iowa Posts: 1,411	They do take donations online. I plan on donating what I can. http://www.patriotspoint.org/ __________________ Bryon O P-61 Black Widow-Mistress of the Night! "No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country." George S. Patton "Listen, strange women lyin' in ponds distributin' swords is no basis for a system of government." "Oh but if I went 'round sayin' I was Emperor, just because some moistened bint lobbed a scimitar at me, they'd put me away."

10-28-2009, 03:53 PM	#28
JoeB Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 484	Those WWII memorial ships are valuable historical assets, but...there are just too many of them to support and maintain in the long run. I'm completely against spending federal money to maintain them unless the number of them is rationalized (ie reduced). Private orgs, localities and states chose to establish those museums, some (though not Yorktown) are not even particularly important ships, sometimes just because they were named for the state or locality. And I don't think bringing up other different cases of bad or excessive federal spending is a good counter argument. I'd probably agree with any criticism of federal waste you can name, but two wrongs don't make a right. The Feds should either take over all of them as national parks and reduce the number to something sustainable in the long run, or not get involved. Realistically since the museums that can afford their ships for now won't turn them over, I think you at least wait until the number reduces by itself. For example I might support the last Essex being supported by the feds, but not Yorktown w/ Intrepid still around. Whichever of those the local museum can't afford, first, should just has to be allowed to go, IMO. Joe

10-28-2009, 04:26 PM	#29
renrich Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Montrose, Colorado Posts: 3,271	JB, agree emphatically. I do believe that USS Texas is maintained by the state. Is she the only dreadnought still left?

11-17-2009, 09:31 AM	#30
five4 Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: S.W. FLORIDA Posts: 9	Yes,she is maintained by Texas Parks and Wildlife as a memorial at San Jacinto.The oldest steel warship afloat is the USS Olympia C6,moored at Penns Landing in Philadelphia,PA.Across the Delaware River in Camden,N.J. is the USS New Jersey BB62,the most decorated battleship in America with 16 Battle Stars,9-WWII,4-Korea,3-VN and Campaign Stars for Beirut,Lebanon and the Persian Gulf. __________________ "Give me 26 soldiers of lead and I will conquer the world"JOHANN GUTTENBURG circa 1450

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