US Fighters shooting down Soviet fighters - Berlin 1945 ???

[P38 Pilot]

Hey, it was the russians fault that they lost a general. If those ground forces had told the United States about where they were located at then it wouldnt have happened. But because the Russians love too be sneaky it happened. But what i think made this argument worst was the fact that russian pilots were now being told too engage and attack American or

maybe even British pilots! They actully made this worst. They put "salt on the wound!"

[FLYBOYJ]

Agree - This was their way of doing business during the Stalin years!

[Hunter368]

Originally Posted by Omaha92

Hell all

I am currently reading A.Beevor's "The fall of Berlin 1945". Beevor says that US fighters once shot down Soviet fighters, mistaking the russian airplanes for german one's.

US pilots' mistake result was a serious diplomatic crisis between the two countries.

Have you heard about this and what exactly happened ?

Sorry if the subject has already been discussed. I'm a newbie ....

Regards,

Omaha92

I am sure there was several times where USA and Russian planes fought. In Eric Hartmann's book "Blond Knight" he told of a fight he was in with the Russians and USA showed up in P51's and it was a all out fight between everyone. Eric shoot down 1 or 2 P51's in that fight before he got out of dodge and let the Americans and Russians fight it out. He did see several planes go down from both sides during the fight. Interesting for sure.

[FLYBOYJ]

My uncle flew Ferret Missions in a B-50 after the Korean War. He said he witnessed shoot-outs between Soviet and US fighters and said many of the missions he flew, their aircraft were armed...

[Medvedya]

Originally Posted by P38 Pilot

You r right plan_d!! I just didnt like what the communist did too unarmed citizens. I would tell u what they did but i would be censored!!!! The Russian Communist r idiots! Having thier own men killed by making them charge into machine gun fire! I dont know whose worst: The Japanese or the Russians!

You are still a total muppet sometimes I see! I suppose you mean the same idiots who held out for 900 days in Leningrad, or resisted the Nazi invaders with practically their bare hands at Volokalamsk, or fought continuously for four years losing on average 19,000 soldiers a day, on a front that spanned from the Arctic to the Middle East and ran from the edge of the Volga over a 1000 miles back to Berlin?

Have you also considered that what the Third Reich did to unarmed citizens in Russia, Ukraine, and the Baltic regions wasn't very nice either and although still atrocious, that the actions of many (but by no means all) Soviet soldiers in Germany were motivated out of revenge?

In addition by 1945 those suicidal 'Urrah' charges had largely disappeared from Soviet tactics after the Red Army was re-organised in 1943.

The 20 plus million military and civilian Soviet dead you cheerfully describe as idiots made it possible for the Allies in the west to defeat the Nazis and win the Second World War.

A bit of advice - scenes from historical films can not be passed off as historical fact! Even if they do have Rachel Weise in then.

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Originally Posted by Medvedya

A bit of advice - scenes from historical films can not be passed off as historical fact! Even if they do have Rachel Weise in then.

LOL I Like the way you put that.

[dysonsphere]

Perhaps you should remember Stalin killed more of his plp than the Germans did

[the lancaster kicks ass]

any source to back that up?

[lesofprimus]

The 20 plus million military and civilian Soviet dead you cheerfully describe as idiots made it possible for the Allies in the west to defeat the Nazis and win the Second World War.

Damn right Med...

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

That is very true, imagine if the Soviets had collapsed and then Hitler could have put his whole might on the West in early 1943.

[Hunter368]

Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet

That is very true, imagine if the Soviets had collapsed and then Hitler could have put his whole might on the West in early 1943.

If that would of happened, which it should of if Germany armies were run by their Generals, it would of very interesting indeed. Mmmmmm

[Smokey]

Yep, Hitler lost the war with his delayed attack on Stalin, and allied convoys seem to have been very important.

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Exactly, the German commanders were never in charge eneogh. Hitler tied there hands behind there backs just eneogh with his demented ways and illusions of total victory.

[Hunter368]

Yup, small delays and small bad decisions cost Germany the war. Its all in the small details as they say.

[R988]

There is also the infamous story of Russian ace Ivan Kozhedub also was forced to shoot down two US P-51 Mustangs that mistakenly attacked his La-7