Request about Fl number - Aircraft of World War II

Hesekiel · 03-03-2009, 05:19 AM

I have in my collection a "Kühlerklappenschater" (Switch for cowling flaps) from a Junkers 88
Does anyone knows the Fl-number of it??
The writing in it:

Bauart Siemens
Bm. LDS 11 2/4
Anf. Z. Fl (blank)
40 Volt, 10A
Gewicht 0,26 Kg#WerkNr. (blank)

SABURO · 03-05-2009, 11:41 AM

I found that ref. in the Peter W. Cohausz book "Cockpit Deutscher Flugzeuge" :

schater fur die Kühlerklappen linker & rechter Motor = Fl E 6313-01

Hope that help,

Cheers, Oliver

Hesekiel · 03-05-2009, 11:55 AM

Thanks a lot Oliver.. But this is another Switch..
The description of the one i own is "Kühlerklappen Schalter, Bm LDS 11-2/4 Diagraphic, Berlin"
But no fl-number to find for it. This switch was the standard in Ju 88.. So i can´t believe that no fl number for it exist...

SABURO · 03-06-2009, 06:48 AM

There is two Kühlerklappenschater in the Ju-88A1 cockpit and I should have wrote this way to avoid confusion, Sorry

schater fur die Kühlerklappen rechter Motor = Fl E 6313-01
schater fur die Kühlerklappen linker Motor = Fl E 6313-01

As Fl 6313-01 a common Fl nummer I think that must be yours... but...

Cheers,

Oliver

Hesekiel · 03-06-2009, 07:57 AM

Hi Oliver
Thanks again! I take a trip at march 15th to the Luftwaffenmuseum at Berlin Gatow.. With this Fl number in my pocket i will look for some instrument to compare

i´m sure they will there hold such stuff...

VERSUCH · 04-06-2009, 03:28 AM

I have just checked all my FL reference and it appears only as you
describe,no FL or Aircraft type beside it.
I thought it could also be ME110,but the picture I saw with it
fitted is post war and the 110 used fle630201.
99% sure its JU88 (LATE WAR)..Good Luck!

Hesekiel · 04-06-2009, 05:41 AM

100% sure that is ju 88 !
A5 1940 approved..... , Werknummer and location of crash known !

This type of switches are built in every Ju 88 i have seen
Pictures from the console..
Maybe Guttorm can say something about this??

Junkers88A1 · 04-06-2009, 11:41 AM

its really a mystery that this part does not have a Fl number. we have those in our A1 as well ( 1939 ) and it says the same on those--identical to the one you have there !! but No Fl number on any of those as well..and this 88 A1 was buildt in 1939.. its really strange that there is no Fl number as there Must be one..and i doublechecked in the same book as Saburo has.. and it does give the Fl number there but there are no numbers printed on the part itself.. that is strange

and yes.. i know the wreck you are talking about and that schalter is from the 1940 A5 !! so its 100% Ju 88 Heskiel as i also know the guy you got it from

Hesekiel · 04-06-2009, 11:51 AM

Many thanks to clear that up Mr. G

Micdrow · 04-06-2009, 05:10 PM

Hi Hesekiel,

My guess best on you finding an answer would lie here. I cant read German and Im better at Japanese insturments but you will find this web site very interesting if you havent seen it before.

Luftwaffe Cockpitinstrumente Homepage Titelseite Instrumente Gertebrett Baumuster

Paul

Hesekiel · 04-06-2009, 05:33 PM

Many thanks Midcrow
This site is well known.. Unfortunately this part is not shown there.. They have a "Kühlerklappenschalter" from the Me110 posted... Maybe i will write a Email to them..
This site is indeed VERY interesting and they own a LOT of stuff..

What is confusing me is the fact Guttorm wrote.. The have some of them at the museum and NONE of them have the fl-number printed on.......
This is very unusual for Luftwaffe Equipment whats used in Masses
(2 in each Ju 88 )

Micdrow · 04-06-2009, 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hesekiel

Many thanks Midcrow
This site is well known.. Unfortunately this part is not shown there.. They have a "Kühlerklappenschalter" from the Me110 posted... Maybe i will write a Email to them..
This site is indeed VERY interesting and they own a LOT of stuff..

What is confusing me is the fact Guttorm wrote.. The have some of them at the museum and NONE of them have the fl-number printed on.......
This is very unusual for Luftwaffe Equipment whats used in Masses
(2 in each Ju 88 )

I have at least one book on German insturments in English. I will take a look though I doubt they will have what you are looking for. If I remember right its mainly on fighters though will look.

Paul

Hesekiel · 04-06-2009, 05:47 PM

Thanks!
Maybe there is something written about the missing of the fl-number...

Here you will see the two switches build in into the left console in "Guttorms" 88.. And you will find the on every Cockpitphoto of a 88...

Micdrow · 04-06-2009, 05:58 PM

Cool shot, I was just thinking.

By chance have you gone through these manuals here on the Ju-88. I know in some of them they have pictures of the cockpitphoto and labled what they are. Maybe be lucky and find your number. Im so hampered by not being able to read German.

http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/oth...al-s-5375.html

Hesekiel · 04-06-2009, 06:06 PM

Well.. then i will have a look there...

I like to know almost everything about my "little treasures"
And a missing fl-number is a absolutely "no-go" *gg*
Thanks for help!!!

03-03-2009, 05:19 AM	#1
Hesekiel Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Northern Germany Posts: 238	Request about Fl number I have in my collection a "Kühlerklappenschater" (Switch for cowling flaps) from a Junkers 88 Does anyone knows the Fl-number of it?? The writing in it: Bauart Siemens Bm. LDS 11 2/4 Anf. Z. Fl (blank) 40 Volt, 10A Gewicht 0,26 Kg#WerkNr. (blank) __________________ Der Tank ist leer der Motor kotzt, jetzt wird die Mühle hingerotzt.....

03-05-2009, 11:55 AM	#3
Hesekiel Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Northern Germany Posts: 238	Thanks a lot Oliver.. But this is another Switch.. The description of the one i own is "Kühlerklappen Schalter, Bm LDS 11-2/4 Diagraphic, Berlin" But no fl-number to find for it. This switch was the standard in Ju 88.. So i can´t believe that no fl number for it exist... __________________ Der Tank ist leer der Motor kotzt, jetzt wird die Mühle hingerotzt.....

03-06-2009, 07:57 AM	#5
Hesekiel Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Northern Germany Posts: 238	Hi Oliver Thanks again! I take a trip at march 15th to the Luftwaffenmuseum at Berlin Gatow.. With this Fl number in my pocket i will look for some instrument to compare i´m sure they will there hold such stuff... __________________ Der Tank ist leer der Motor kotzt, jetzt wird die Mühle hingerotzt.....

04-06-2009, 05:41 AM	#7
Hesekiel Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Northern Germany Posts: 238	100% sure that is ju 88 ! A5 1940 approved..... , Werknummer and location of crash known ! This type of switches are built in every Ju 88 i have seen Pictures from the console.. Maybe Guttorm can say something about this?? __________________ Der Tank ist leer der Motor kotzt, jetzt wird die Mühle hingerotzt.....

04-06-2009, 11:41 AM	#8
Junkers88A1 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Norway Posts: 1,100	its really a mystery that this part does not have a Fl number. we have those in our A1 as well ( 1939 ) and it says the same on those--identical to the one you have there !! but No Fl number on any of those as well..and this 88 A1 was buildt in 1939.. its really strange that there is no Fl number as there Must be one..and i doublechecked in the same book as Saburo has.. and it does give the Fl number there but there are no numbers printed on the part itself.. that is strange and yes.. i know the wreck you are talking about and that schalter is from the 1940 A5 !! so its 100% Ju 88 Heskiel as i also know the guy you got it from __________________

03-05-2009, 11:41 AM	#2
SABURO Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Paris France Posts: 82	I found that ref. in the Peter W. Cohausz book "Cockpit Deutscher Flugzeuge" : schater fur die Kühlerklappen linker & rechter Motor = Fl E 6313-01 Hope that help, Cheers, Oliver

03-06-2009, 06:48 AM	#4
SABURO Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Paris France Posts: 82	There is two Kühlerklappenschater in the Ju-88A1 cockpit and I should have wrote this way to avoid confusion, Sorry schater fur die Kühlerklappen rechter Motor = Fl E 6313-01 schater fur die Kühlerklappen linker Motor = Fl E 6313-01 As Fl 6313-01 a common Fl nummer I think that must be yours... but... Cheers, Oliver

04-06-2009, 03:28 AM	#6
VERSUCH Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 12	I have just checked all my FL reference and it appears only as you describe,no FL or Aircraft type beside it. I thought it could also be ME110,but the picture I saw with it fitted is post war and the 110 used fle630201. 99% sure its JU88 (LATE WAR)..Good Luck!

04-06-2009, 11:51 AM	#9
Hesekiel Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Northern Germany Posts: 238	Many thanks to clear that up Mr. G __________________ Der Tank ist leer der Motor kotzt, jetzt wird die Mühle hingerotzt.....

04-06-2009, 05:10 PM	#10
Micdrow “Archive” Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 4,852	Hi Hesekiel, My guess best on you finding an answer would lie here. I cant read German and Im better at Japanese insturments but you will find this web site very interesting if you havent seen it before. Luftwaffe Cockpitinstrumente Homepage Titelseite Instrumente Gertebrett Baumuster Paul __________________ "Valor does not mean Hero."

04-06-2009, 05:33 PM	#11
Hesekiel Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Northern Germany Posts: 238	Many thanks Midcrow This site is well known.. Unfortunately this part is not shown there.. They have a "Kühlerklappenschalter" from the Me110 posted... Maybe i will write a Email to them.. This site is indeed VERY interesting and they own a LOT of stuff.. What is confusing me is the fact Guttorm wrote.. The have some of them at the museum and NONE of them have the fl-number printed on....... This is very unusual for Luftwaffe Equipment whats used in Masses (2 in each Ju 88 ) __________________ Der Tank ist leer der Motor kotzt, jetzt wird die Mühle hingerotzt..... Last edited by Hesekiel; 04-06-2009 at 05:37 PM.

04-06-2009, 05:47 PM	#13
Hesekiel Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Northern Germany Posts: 238	Thanks! Maybe there is something written about the missing of the fl-number... Here you will see the two switches build in into the left console in "Guttorms" 88.. And you will find the on every Cockpitphoto of a 88... __________________ Der Tank ist leer der Motor kotzt, jetzt wird die Mühle hingerotzt.....

04-06-2009, 05:58 PM	#14
Micdrow “Archive” Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 4,852	Cool shot, I was just thinking. By chance have you gone through these manuals here on the Ju-88. I know in some of them they have pictures of the cockpitphoto and labled what they are. Maybe be lucky and find your number. Im so hampered by not being able to read German. http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/oth...al-s-5375.html __________________ "Valor does not mean Hero."

04-06-2009, 06:06 PM	#15
Hesekiel Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Northern Germany Posts: 238	Well.. then i will have a look there... I like to know almost everything about my "little treasures" And a missing fl-number is a absolutely "no-go" gg Thanks for help!!! __________________ Der Tank ist leer der Motor kotzt, jetzt wird die Mühle hingerotzt.....

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