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01-21-2008, 03:37 PM
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01-21-2008, 03:44 PM
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Country: | That was it till now, we have only just begun to search.... The site is 450 meters from our farmhouse....
I need a good metal detector (I bought mine for 45€ on ebay, bad stuff)... Any good ideas?
Next search will probably be this sunday...
Roman, will you post the pictures in the other website or should I (I haven't registered there yet, but that wouldn't be a problem)
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01-21-2008, 04:14 PM
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Country:  | Justmic - the oval part - does it appear to be an oval "rail" with rounded "nuts" riveted to it?
The stiff "kevlar" type stuff may be fiberglass or even canvas.
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01-21-2008, 04:19 PM
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01-21-2008, 04:46 PM
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thats exactly what it is like.... What do you think it could be?
The stiff stuff is more like canvas with a thin coating on it... | |
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01-21-2008, 04:49 PM
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no date or year yet...this will take a few weeks, we don't want to wake sleeping dogs here...
But it was definatly downed by the St. Valentin Flak...I will Post maps and area fotos tomorrow... | |
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01-21-2008, 04:54 PM
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#39 | | the old Sage
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01-21-2008, 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by justmic  Flyboy,
thats exactly what it is like.... What do you think it could be?
The stiff stuff is more like canvas with a thin coating on it... | I believe that oval piece is a fuel bay access on a B-24. PBYs had a similar part. It could be found on the B-24 lower wing. (see below)
The canvas could be insulation that was used around electrical load centers. I've been trying to find a photo of one on a B-24.
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01-22-2008, 02:26 AM
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Originally Posted by justmic That was it till now, we have only just begun to search.... The site is 450 meters from our farmhouse....
I need a good metal detector (I bought mine for 45€ on ebay, bad stuff)... Any good ideas?
Next search will probably be this sunday...
Roman, will you post the pictures in the other website or should I (I haven't registered there yet, but that wouldn't be a problem)
Thanks
Michael | Zum Befehl: pics resized and posted there.
Yes. Let the dogs sleep untill you dig it out all and then you tell us more about the crash site location...
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01-22-2008, 05:42 AM
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Originally Posted by seesul Zum Befehl: pics resized and posted there.
Yes. Let the dogs sleep untill you dig it out all and then you tell us more about the crash site location... | 
Thanx!! 
Will tell you all about the crash site, have to make a few fotos of the area first.... will probably have to wait till saturday (I leave in the dark and come home in the dark)
Maps will follow today
@erich: Yes it was 8.8 stationed in St. Valentin...
Furthermore the neighbor dug out some 2cm shells (around 20-30) a few years ago while digging a ditch... that was only about 600 Meters from the crash site.... They probably gave the B-?? the last hits. | |
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01-22-2008, 06:20 AM
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01-22-2008, 08:32 AM
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The forrest is very steep and totaly viewable from the road above.
Thats the stupid part about the site, almost everybody that saw us searching (about 10) stopped and wanted to know what we were doing, just out of curiosity. I said we were looking for the water pipeline leading to our house...
I doubt most believed us.
There was another crash site where a twin engined aircraft was involved just north of us. There seems to be more information about that one. The aircraft came in low trailing smoke, dropped its ordnance (seemingly about 4-6 small bombs) in a row over fields and forrest, then crashed into the hill. That crash site was directly next to a farm about 1,5 klicks away from us.
I don't know how much was salvaged there, but chances are most of the plane went into the ground (farm land).
Our crash site was filled with trees to the time, most of them over 100 year old beech and ash trees. I have absolutely no expierience with how a crash site in a forrest looks like. Most of the pieces we found are pretty torn up.
I still need ideas to a good metal detector...can anyone help? | |
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01-22-2008, 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by justmic Yep thats about it
The forrest is very steep and totaly viewable from the road above.
Thats the stupid part about the site, almost everybody that saw us searching (about 10) stopped and wanted to know what we were doing, just out of curiosity. I said we were looking for the water pipeline leading to our house...
I doubt most believed us.
There was another crash site where a twin engined aircraft was involved just north of us. There seems to be more information about that one. The aircraft came in low trailing smoke, dropped its ordnance (seemingly about 4-6 small bombs) in a row over fields and forrest, then crashed into the hill. That crash site was directly next to a farm about 1,5 klicks away from us.
I don't know how much was salvaged there, but chances are most of the plane went into the ground (farm land).
Our crash site was filled with trees to the time, most of them over 100 year old beech and ash trees. I have absolutely no expierience with how a crash site in a forrest looks like. Most of the pieces we found are pretty torn up.
I still need ideas to a good metal detector...can anyone help? | Friend of mine got White´s Prizm IV and is very satisfied with it White's Electronics - Prizm™ IV Metal Detector
There´s Fisher, Garret but it´s always a question of money.
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