Question about Jets vs Biplanes or lightweight single wing aricrafts - Aircraft of World War II

ekirk · 02-18-2009, 05:49 PM

Hello. I have a quick question for you airplane buffs. I am seeking expert aid and knew that this was the place to come. A few friends and I were having a debate as to whether a biplane or lightweight aircraft could defeat a modern jet. Their argument stated that the lightweight aircraft would have the advantage due to it's weight and maneuverability. Now while I am willing to concede that these two elements are helpful, the jet would still be more than able to blow the light aircraft out of the sky without sustaining any damage.

Also this man claimed that if say a sidewinder were to penetrate the wing of the lightweight aircraft without detonation that the plane would still be able to fly and continue with high chance of defeating the jet. I though that this idea was ridiculous considering the small size of the wing and the damage that such a weapon would do. How much damage can a wing sustain before the plane would need to land.

Would this damage cripple the plane to the point of creating a sitting duck. I believe that the damage on the wing would be enough to cripple the plane. It would no longer be able to do such complex maneuvers due to the stress it would put on the wing.

Please let me know as much as you can. I would love to get to the bottom of this issue. The man who started it called me a girl who didn't understand anything about planes and I would like to prove that I can get the information from the experts. Thanks again!

Colin1 · 02-18-2009, 06:23 PM

Now I'm confused
where'd my answer go?

ekirk · 02-18-2009, 06:27 PM

I placed the topic on two locations so I could get a wide range of opinions. Thanks for the reply though! =)

Colin1 · 02-18-2009, 06:32 PM

Ahh, I see
you've put the same question in two areas of the forum

You don't need to do that, you'll still get a wide range of opinions, alot less confusion and no duplication of effort

pbfoot · 02-18-2009, 06:34 PM

just flying by close and fast should cause the light aircraft enough distress

SoD Stitch · 02-18-2009, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by pbfoot

just flying by close and fast should cause the light aircraft enough distress

You ever see "The Final Countdown", where the F-14's blew by the Zeros and almost made them crash?

pbfoot · 02-18-2009, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by SoD Stitch

You ever see "The Final Countdown", where the F-14's blew by the Zeros and almost made them crash?

Yep a great movie , can you imagine what that turbulance would do to a Spad or Cub

fly boy · 02-19-2009, 12:07 PM

if the AIM-9 malfunctions it could hit the plane then not go off but on the off chance it does i don't think the plane could shoot it down

depends on where it is hit

simoncoombs · 03-25-2009, 04:48 PM

I seem to recall reading that the Argentine Air Force's obsolete SkyRaiders were somewhat difficult for British jets to deal with during the Falklands conflict.

FLYBOYJ · 03-25-2009, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by simoncoombs

I seem to recall reading that the Argentine Air Force's obsolete SkyRaiders were somewhat difficult for British jets to deal with during the Falklands conflict.

Skyraiders? Do some homework!

Sweb · 03-25-2009, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ

Skyraiders? Do some homework!

Skyraiders, skylarks, skypoodles...hey it flew. It was the missiles that messed up a few folk's day.

Let's see, light plane vs jet. No contest. The light plane would be the first to land every time.

simoncoombs · 03-25-2009, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ

Skyraiders? Do some homework!

Pardon me for breathing.

FLYBOYJ · 03-25-2009, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by simoncoombs

Pardon me for breathing.

Only if you don't expel hot air!

FLYBOYJ · 03-25-2009, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweb

Skyraiders, skylarks, skypoodles...hey it flew. It was the missiles that messed up a few folk's day.

And who are we talking about?????

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Originally Posted by Sweb

Let's see, light plane vs jet. No contest. The light plane would be the first to land every time.

In several pieces?

mkloby · 03-27-2009, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ

In several pieces?

This is really kind of silly. Does this argument include the outfitting of the vintage aircraft w/ modern weapons, radar, mws, expendables, etc?

02-18-2009, 05:49 PM	#1
ekirk Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 3	Question about Jets vs Biplanes or lightweight single wing aricrafts Hello. I have a quick question for you airplane buffs. I am seeking expert aid and knew that this was the place to come. A few friends and I were having a debate as to whether a biplane or lightweight aircraft could defeat a modern jet. Their argument stated that the lightweight aircraft would have the advantage due to it's weight and maneuverability. Now while I am willing to concede that these two elements are helpful, the jet would still be more than able to blow the light aircraft out of the sky without sustaining any damage. Also this man claimed that if say a sidewinder were to penetrate the wing of the lightweight aircraft without detonation that the plane would still be able to fly and continue with high chance of defeating the jet. I though that this idea was ridiculous considering the small size of the wing and the damage that such a weapon would do. How much damage can a wing sustain before the plane would need to land. Would this damage cripple the plane to the point of creating a sitting duck. I believe that the damage on the wing would be enough to cripple the plane. It would no longer be able to do such complex maneuvers due to the stress it would put on the wing. Please let me know as much as you can. I would love to get to the bottom of this issue. The man who started it called me a girl who didn't understand anything about planes and I would like to prove that I can get the information from the experts. Thanks again!

02-18-2009, 06:27 PM	#3
ekirk Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 3	you're fine I placed the topic on two locations so I could get a wide range of opinions. Thanks for the reply though! =)

02-19-2009, 12:07 PM	#8
fly boy Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 851	if the AIM-9 malfunctions it could hit the plane then not go off but on the off chance it does i don't think the plane could shoot it down depends on where it is hit __________________

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02-18-2009, 06:23 PM	#2
Colin1 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 1,666	Now I'm confused where'd my answer go?

02-18-2009, 06:32 PM	#4
Colin1 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 1,666	Ahh, I see you've put the same question in two areas of the forum You don't need to do that, you'll still get a wide range of opinions, alot less confusion and no duplication of effort

02-18-2009, 06:34 PM	#5
pbfoot Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: niagara falls Posts: 5,548	just flying by close and fast should cause the light aircraft enough distress

03-25-2009, 04:48 PM	#9
simoncoombs Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 4	I seem to recall reading that the Argentine Air Force's obsolete SkyRaiders were somewhat difficult for British jets to deal with during the Falklands conflict.