Boeing Names Independent Quality Review Leader

[ThomasP]

I agree, but I do not have access to all the data.

However, it shows a huge decrease in accident rates and fatalities over the last 60 or so years. This tells me that todays designs are relatively safe in comparison to earlier designs, and Boeing is either doing a much better job nowadays than in the earlier designs, or the pilots and ATCs are enormously better, or some combination of both.

But any way I look at it, Admiral Beez's question, re

Is it truly that difficult to make high quality aircraft and still make a healthy profit? Boeing did exactly that for decades before the MD merger.

does not apply relative to quality (or safety).

 

[Admiral Beez]

Two things would have changed Boeing's fortunes.

First, have Boeing disclose the necessity and the addition of MCAS in the 737 Max series and institute training and simulator updates specific for this type, rather than the mgmt and sales guys sneakily trying to maintain the legacy 737 NG training/sims. Yes, this would have put Boeing at a competitive disadvantage to the Airbus A320neo with regards to their customers' acquisition and training costs, but that's what you get for trying to stretch out a nearly sixty year old aircraft. Boeing would need to lower 737 Max prices to offset its customers' higher on-boarding costs.

Second, have Boeing ensure that their aircraft are assembled correctly, including checking that the bolts on its 737 Max door plugs are installed and torqued to spec.

Boeing's 'culture of concealment' to blame for 737 crashes

The firm hid details from the regulator and pilots which led to two fatal crashes, a report finds.

www.bbc.com

That's it. Do these two things and Boeing and the Max program will remain highly regarded.

 

[Denniss]

The second Boeing Whistleblower has died after suffering from a sudden, a fast-spreading "infection". Both Whistleblowers had the same law firm. That looks stranger and stranger. Did some russian customer pay bills with Novichok?

https://www.seattletimes.com/business/whistleblower-josh-dean-of-boeing-supplier-spirit-aerosystems-has-died/

 

[Admiral Beez]

"It really scares me, believe me, but I am at peace.. If something happens to me, I am at peace because I feel like coming forward, I will be saving a lot of lives," he added.

I'm all for exposing wrong-doing, but this strikes me as histrionics aimed at poisoning the well.

IDK, two dead whistleblowers from the same firm? Perhaps three's a charm, or thirty-two?

Boeing Whistleblowers Keep Mysteriously Dying

Boeing 737 MAX aircraft has a rather disturbing record of accidents, with two of them resulting in numerous fatalities. One 737 MAX crashed in Indonesia nearly six years ago, in October of 2018, killing all 189 passengers and crew on board. On March 10, 2019, another 737 MAX, this time operated...

eturbonews.com

 

[Thumpalumpacus]

IDK, two dead whistleblowers from the same firm? Perhaps three's a charm, or thirty-two?

Boeing Whistleblowers Keep Mysteriously Dying

Boeing 737 MAX aircraft has a rather disturbing record of accidents, with two of them resulting in numerous fatalities. One 737 MAX crashed in Indonesia nearly six years ago, in October of 2018, killing all 189 passengers and crew on board. On March 10, 2019, another 737 MAX, this time operated...

eturbonews.com

You'll note that my post you quoted was made before the second one had died.

 

[Admiral Beez]

You'll note that my post you quoted was made before the second one had died.

That's only relevant if the growing body count has changed your position.

 

[Thumpalumpacus]

That's only relevant if the growing body count has changed your position.

I'd prefer evidence over insinuation in coming to a conclusion. Got any?

 

[SaparotRob]

"Hearsay and circumstantial are kinds of evidence."
Lionel Hutz, Esq.

 

[Thumpalumpacus]

"Hearsay and circumstantial are kinds of evidence."
Lionel Hutz, Esq.

There's a difference between correlation and causation.

 

[SaparotRob]

Oh yeah? Sez you.

 

[Admiral Beez]

There's a difference between correlation and causation.

I get it. Well, there were a total of thirty-two Boeing whistleblowers. If a dozen are dead by Christmas even our most skeptical may have some questions.

Boeing hit with 32 whistleblower claims, as dead worker’s case reviewed

US workplace safety regulator received the complaints of employer retaliation over three-year period.

www.aljazeera.com

 

[Denniss]

Lets hope the other 30 are okay and stay so

 

[Admiral Beez]

Lets hope the other 30 are okay and stay so

My money's on at least one more dead before the end of the year.

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

If people there were actually being harmed for speaking up about something we'd all be dead.

 

[Denniss]

It seems Boeing has trouble with the 787 again, FAA is looking into inspections of wing joint area that are in the ducumentation but were never made

 

[Admiral Beez]

It seems Boeing has trouble with the 787 again, FAA is looking into inspections of wing joint area that are in the ducumentation but were never made

Oh FFS!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/transportation/2024/05/06/faa-boeing-787-inspections/

Just make your aircraft correctly.

 

[Denniss]

Just don't fake your business docs, does not work well for Onkel Donald too.

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Just don't fake your business docs, does not work well for Onkel Donald too.

And there is no need to bring him into this discussion.