 | Luftwaffe Cannons and Machineguns topic.| Weapons Systems Tech. Discuss Luftwaffe Cannons and Machineguns topic. in the Technical forums; The comment about the "1000x 1000" performance not being obtainable by a "conventional" mechanism, isn't ... |
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11-03-2008, 02:55 AM
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Country:  | The comment about the "1000x 1000" performance not being obtainable by a "conventional" mechanism, isn't entirely true. There was a wartime version of the British Hispano that was sped up to ~1,000 rpm (and would have reached ~1,000 m/s wit the lighter German projectiles) but was not selected for production due significant changes to the parts.
Likewise, the post war Colt Mk.12 of the USN (a development of the Hispano) fired at 1,000 rmp with a velocity of over 1,000 m/s.
I think this would pretty much be the limit though, and the MG 213 (and USAF M39) both performed signifcantly better still, albeit at greater weight. (and somewhat greater bulk) | 
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11-03-2008, 05:24 PM
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The comment about the "1000x 1000" performance not being obtainable by a "conventional" mechanism, isn't entirely true. There was a wartime version of the British Hispano that was sped up to ~1,000 rpm (and would have reached ~1,000 m/s wit the lighter German projectiles) but was not selected for production due significant changes to the parts.
Likewise, the post war Colt Mk.12 of the USN (a development of the Hispano) fired at 1,000 rmp with a velocity of over 1,000 m/s.
| That is 100 % correct, my comment was more related to the fact the germans didnt have at that time a 20 mm capable to reach 1000 rounds per minute. Probably they have some experimental gun but no one in service at 1942 with that rate of fire.
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11-03-2008, 07:06 PM
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Country:  | i have this 30mm german shell from WW2..do you know what gun its from ??
its 100% from a aircraft..just not sure about what gun | |
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11-03-2008, 07:12 PM
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11-03-2008, 07:23 PM
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11-03-2008, 07:25 PM
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11-03-2008, 07:32 PM
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11-03-2008, 07:41 PM
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Country: | on the head it says ZZ 1589 B279 exw 44
the bottom read 754 CUX
a lot of interesting reading there i ahve a bunch of early 20mm MGFF bullets and 13mm MG 131 but thisone has been "outside" the box for a while and i have never known much from the guns above Mg 151.. | |
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11-03-2008, 07:44 PM
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Country: | Looking at the above page I posted from Tony Williams site reminded me of another weapon I don't think has been brought up: the 30 mm Mauser MK 212 compeitor to the MK 108.
Any info? | |
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11-03-2008, 08:12 PM
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on the head it says ZZ 1589 B279 exw 44
the bottom read 754 CUX
| The ZZ is very likely to means Zerleger and Zünder, selfdestructive and Fuze.
Number 44 is probably for 1944. Quote:
I don't think has been brought up: the 30 mm Mauser MK 212 compeitor to the MK 108.
Any info?
| I only know that was recoil operated, but I didnt find a single picture of the gun itself.
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11-26-2008, 06:58 PM
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Country: | MG 17 handbook pictures:
Some pictures of the handbook MG 17 7,92mm machinegun for the Ejercito del aire (Spanish Air Force) including the synchronization gear.
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11-27-2008, 08:36 AM
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Country: | Very interesting drawins there Charles, many thanks.
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11-27-2008, 08:42 PM
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12-05-2008, 08:51 AM
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