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10-13-2006, 04:06 PM
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Hi guys. 
I was reading "Vietnam Air Warfare" by Robert F. Dorr & Chris Bishop just the other day... Is it true that the B-52 "Stratofortress" is the last bomber in the world with a manned rear gun turret??
Thanks.
James.
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10-13-2006, 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Bf109_g  Hi guys.
I was reading "Vietnam Air Warfare" by Robert F. Dorr & Chris Bishop just the other day... Is it true that the B-52 "Stratofortress" is the last bomber in the world with a manned rear gun turret??
Thanks.
James. | No - the TU-16 and TU-95 I believe was the last bombers to have a manned tail turret, they flew after the B-52.
Eventually the B-52 gunner was moved up front with the rest of the crew and then eliminated entirely.
A number of Soviet transports also had a tail turret station as well.
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| I remember reading about some B52 crews being angry that the gunner was moved forward. They liked having a set of eyes looking backards for any SAM's launched at them from the tail position.
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10-14-2006, 10:54 AM
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10-14-2006, 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by syscom3 I remember reading about some B52 crews being angry that the gunner was moved forward. They liked having a set of eyes looking backards for any SAM's launched at them from the tail position. | I work with a former B-52 gunner.
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Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ I work with a former B-52 gunner. | Did he tell you any stories?
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10-15-2006, 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by syscom3 Did he tell you any stories? | Not very many - he served during 80s at Barksdale and Minot, doing the typical alerts and practice nuke runs. He did say that he got out of it because it was actually boaring and he was spending too much time away from home.
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Originally Posted by the lancaster kicks *** in today's missile dominated world though you can see why they got rid....... | Yeah but the key to survival a lot of the times is seeing the missile. Only radar guided missles will show up on your missle defense system. IR missiles like the SA-7, SA-14, SA-16, and SA-18 will not. In order to detect an IR missile you have to see it. The sooner you see the missile the better chances you have of survival.
That is what the B-52 crews were complaining about. They enjoyed having the extra set of eyes back there to look for missiles.
Just as an example when we were in Iraq I spent most of my time looking out the back of my helicopter to the 6 oclock position looking for those damn SA-7/SA-14/SA-16/SA-18s.
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10-15-2006, 01:32 PM
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By the pD when are you going to pm me your address so that I can mail you your jacket back? Or are you just leaving it here so that you have it for Rock im Park next year? 
By the way it is looking good for Rock im Park next year. Rumors on the official website are hinting at Metallica again as well as Iron Maiden, Pearl Jam, Aerosmith, Smashing Pumpkins, Lincoln Park, Evenecense as well as Korn again.
You and Sarah are coming again right?
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10-15-2006, 01:55 PM
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__________________ US Army Blackhawk Crewchief 2000-2006 Classic ww2aircraft.net quotes: fly boy said: "isn't that the first jet bomber? becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles" "wait what ok who made the b-2 crash come on people that messed up its a b-2" "ah yes the mistel those things are so annoying is games and in real life" | |
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10-15-2006, 04:26 PM
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On the missile thing, I'm just throwing this out here. But I think some kind of heat sensing equipment would be quite useful, it would be able to detect it when it's launched because obviously they give off a lot of heat to launch. I don't know how it'd work, but it's an idea.
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