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04-01-2008, 04:21 PM
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04-01-2008, 04:55 PM
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An honourable mention might go to Field Marshall Petain who went from hero in WW1 to leader of a puppet gov't in Vichy
| Absolutely, Pétain was an hero during the first world war, he had save the france. But lost all honour with the Vichy government. The french collaboration it's not a secret and the Vichy's police (la milice) participated actively to deport of Jew.
It's not a coincidence if Pétain finished his life in prison. He died in prison.
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If you actually read history books without bias you would say Hitler was a good soldier in WW1.
| I don't call into question the military capacity of Hitler. I just said among the survivor of the WW1, it was the worst in comparison of consequence of his ideas on the World. | |
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04-01-2008, 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Célérité  I don't call into question the military capacity of Hitler. I just said among the survivor of the WW1, it was the worst in comparison of consequence of his ideas on the World. | Vague thread title but all it asked was "Hitler the worse WW1 vet?"
I would say he was a good Vet for Germany by all standards in 1918. It was not until later did he go nuts/evil.
Just comparing person to person (regardless if they served or not), I still say Stalin was worse then Hitler.
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04-01-2008, 05:12 PM
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Country: | Stalin shoundn't be mentioned as for what i know he was not a veteran
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04-01-2008, 07:26 PM
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Country: | Is is not being mentioned in this poll. He is being talked about totally differently from what this thread is about. As I have said already. Just so happens he is being mentioned, as a side subject, in this thread. No one has referred to him as a Vet of any war.
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04-02-2008, 03:18 AM
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Country:  | Re Hungary, etc, good points Jimmy.
The Hungarians were the lesser party (but the larger country) of the Austro-Hungarian empire, but try telling them that! I lived for 3 1/2 years in Austria, and have for the last 6 years lived in Hungary. It's a VERY touchy subject on both sides, full of national pride, arrogance and ignorance. The main point is the Austrians were besieged by the Turks, with-held and eventually defeated them, driving them not only out of Austria, but Hungary aswell. The problem was they didn't leave, and annexed hungary as part of Austria. The Hungarians revolted a number of times, and it was decided to recognize the Hungarian Monarchy (creating the dual-Monarchy) to stabilize the Empire.
Croatia was officially a part of Hungary,so from that point of view they did have coastal access. Likewise Slovenia was a part of Austria, aswell as the large port of Trieste, "acquired" by Italy at the end of WW I. hard to believe now the Austrians once had a large Navy!
The Hungarians in the cut-off regions are still despised to this day, although Hungary is the first destination for many people (especially Romanians) seeking a better life (almost a joke considering our wage scale - the minimum weekly wage in Ireland is more than my monthly pay-packet, and as a professional solderer I earn a fairly good wage in comparison to many people)
This is by the by, anyway. I was trying to make the point of conditions in central Europe at the time. | |
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05-07-2008, 06:27 PM
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Country:  | Winston Churchill,
he hated Germany or Germans since the Boer War, refused to take Hitler’s hand and share the spoils with him, thus creating the downfall of Germany and Stalin’s expansion into half of Europe.
One could see it this way, right??? 
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05-08-2008, 01:17 AM
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Country: | No offense I dont think very many people will agree with you. I too would rather have seen the fall of Germany than Europe ruled by Hitler.
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05-08-2008, 02:21 AM
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05-08-2008, 02:24 AM
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Country: | Churchill was merely following the time honoured British Foreign Policy principal of supporting the second most powerful continental power. If any one power was allowed to dominate, there was a risk to britains domination of Europe. Of course, the brits had by wwii been outflanked by two countries, the US and Japan. British lion was starting to lose its teeth by that stage
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05-08-2008, 02:47 AM
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05-08-2008, 03:07 AM
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Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet No offense I dont think very many people will agree with you. I too would rather have seen the fall of Germany than Europe ruled by Hitler. | Hello D.A.I.G.
Well I do sincerely hope that no one agrees on my forwarded statement, after all this is a forum for discussions right? Not just for expressing ones true opinion.
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05-08-2008, 04:12 AM
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Country: | wwii as far as i know there was no Royal Hungarian Navy
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05-08-2008, 04:39 AM
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Country: | I know that he was a memeber of a navy in wwi for a country that in wwii no longer existed. Geez!!!!
was there a navy for Hungary in wwii???apart from a few row boats on the Danube, I think its safe to say no
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