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03-01-2007, 04:03 PM
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Unit 731 was a covert medical experimentation unit of the Imperial Japanese Army that researched biological warfare through human experimentation during the Second Sino-Japanese War (1937-1945) and World War II. It was responsible for some of the most notorious war crimes carried out by Japanese personnel. Officially known by the Imperial Japanese Army as the Army Epidemic Prevention Research Laboratory, it was initially set up as a political and ideological section of the Kempeitai military police of pre-Pacific War Japan. It was meant to counter the ideological or political influence of enemies, and to reinforce the ideology of military units.
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03-01-2007, 04:29 PM
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03-02-2007, 05:23 PM
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Country: | japan If the Japanese were angry about allied atrocities why didn't they rearm and seek vengeance? I don't see how they could have truly believed in what they were fighting for if they simply accepted defeat and made no attempt to reverse the outcome. Being pacifist is fine but if that the case the Japanese should not have acted like they wanted to fight in the first place. |
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03-02-2007, 05:29 PM
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Country: | the Queen Have the British apologized for what they did in Africa and Asia under colonialism? |
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03-02-2007, 05:42 PM
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Country: | Japan One thing the Japanese might have great difficulty understanding is how Japanese leaders of the WWII era could be so stupid and evil. It seems odd that a nation could go from being totally evil to relatively normal so quickly.
This criticism of the Japanese is only fair if everyone accepts all the evil things done by citizens of their own country. Otherwise it comes accross as gross hypocrisy.
When do people think other countries were at their most villainous? |
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03-02-2007, 06:01 PM
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Country: | atomic bomb I don't think anyone has argued that most of the people killed in the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were responsible for the heinous crimes committed by some Japanese. The fact that they are from Japan does not make all Japanese criminals. |
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03-03-2007, 04:11 AM
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#23 | | Der Crewchief
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Originally Posted by Cojimar 1945 Have the British apologized for what they did in Africa and Asia under colonialism? | Should they? No!
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03-03-2007, 04:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Cojimar 1945 I don't think anyone has argued that most of the people killed in the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were responsible for the heinous crimes committed by some Japanese. The fact that they are from Japan does not make all Japanese criminals. | Nope but they ended the war and if he Japanese had an atomic they most ceratainly would have used it. Look at the Bio Weapons they used.
I think you are missing the point of this discussion. No one is saying the modern Japanese of today are responsible for what happened back then. They simply are not. However the government can recognize it happened and teach there children about it. They can stop with the denail. That is a crime in itself.
Oh and by the way instead of making 5 seperate posts to get your point across put them in one post from now on. We are all educated people and and can see that you have 3 different things you want to talk about in one post.
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03-04-2007, 12:13 AM
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#25 | | IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO
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Originally Posted by Cojimar 1945 I don't think anyone has argued that most of the people killed in the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were responsible for the heinous crimes committed by some Japanese. The fact that they are from Japan does not make all Japanese criminals. | Tell that to the families of the soldiers who died on the Bataan death march - tell that to the Chinese and Korean civilians who were brutalized by the Japanese - the Japanese civilian population was in the middle between their Bushido leaders and the allies who wanted the war to end - and in the end those Japanese suffered the same way they made civilians under their rule suffer. As said payback is a bitch...
BTW - this guy was a POW, maybe his captor is having a bad day...
Don't even bring up that "Have the British apologized for what they did in Africa and Asia under colonialism?" crap. The worse so called atrocities ever committed by the Brits to those they colonized on a bad day was a "day in the park" when compared to what the Japanese have done.
I suggest you pull your head out of your @ss because you evidently don't know what you're talking about, and YES there are some on this forum who had family members interned in Japanese POW camps....
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03-04-2007, 01:15 AM
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Country: | That Photo FBJ I believe is an Australian Pilot ready to be executed on the Island of Ambon in Dutch east Indies (Indonesia). And by the way my Uncle was a POW of the Japanese, So that classifies me as one of those forums users with a direct link to a family member who was a POW in Changi. What you want his ID number from the 2nd AIF or what. He definitely like his mates didn't have a walk in the park for 3 1/2 years in Changi Prison. Except for a few incidents during Colonial days the British didn't make it a habit of executing the whole ****ing population of who they colonized. Cojimar. Perhaps you want to equal all things out and say the Japs were doing what the British did to colonize and empire. Look at your own history was Wounded Knee was just a day that the US Army was having a bad hair day. Now go and look at the Fall Of Singapore. 1942 the Alexandria Hospital Massacre. The Bataan Death March. The Sandakarn Death March on the island of Borneo. Thai Burma Railways death toll. Not just Allied POWs but native population being executed or starved to death. The Rape of Nanking was another fine testament to Japan. The Rape of Manilla in 1945. Where 1 million Filippinos died at the hands of the IJA. Women between the ages of 15 to 25 were brutally raped repeatly then murdered by members of the Japanese Army. Point to when the British Army has had at any time brutlaized to that number of innocent people. tell you what Cojimar I will be in Singapore from June 1st to June 6th. will be staying at the Penusula Excelsiur Hotel during those dates. Come and I will take you for a tour around Singapore to the sites of executions of Singaporean Civilians who were Chinese Malays Indians who were shot or bayonetted to death by the Japanese for nothing more then these civilians wanted food or work after Singapore Fell in 1942. another want to tell that crap of yours to my wife's family. They are Filippinos from Cebu. I am sure they will listen to you and then look at you with dismay and ask me where I found you from because they have excellant manners and would not abuse you for being stupid
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03-04-2007, 04:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Emac44 That Photo FBJ I believe is an Australian Pilot ready to be executed on the Island of Ambon in Dutch east Indies (Indonesia). | Actually that photo is of Australian Army Sgt Leonard George Siffleet, M Special Unit of the Allied Intelligence Bureau. Captured behind enemy lines, he was executed on the 24th Oct 1943 at Aitape Beach. Executioner was a one Yasuno Chikao.
I also have no sympathy for the Japanese of WWII especially after the massacres of our servicemen and NURSES at places like Singapore, Ambon, Rabaul etc. Not to mention Japanese cannabalism on the Kokoda Track.
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03-04-2007, 07:47 AM
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03-04-2007, 10:46 AM
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#29 | | IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO
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Country: | Well said gentlemen...
And for those 2 atomic bombings - until the Japanese can formally apologize I say SO WHAT! Over 300,000 people died because of the bombings, it probably saved several million Japanese lives if the war continued and there was an allied invasion. Could you imagine LeMay being allowed to continue firebomb every square inch of Japan? How about the B-29 fleet being supplemented by B-32s that would of packed the same punch as the -29?
Throughout the 1930s the Japanese refined a fine art called brutality - as the allies got into WW2 we picked up on some of their "dirty tricks" (as well as making a few of our own). The Japanese not only wanted to conquer, they wanted to brutalize and humiliate their captors - allied servicemen wanted to defeat this enemy and go back to their peaceful civilian lives. ANYONE who tries to lessen the atrocities the Japanese committed and even begin to try to villanize the allies for their "payback" was probably brain dead in high school history class, brainwashed with liberal propaganda or is somewhere between retarded and imbecile.
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03-04-2007, 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Wildcat Actually that photo is of Australian Army Sgt Leonard George Siffleet, M Special Unit of the Allied Intelligence Bureau. Captured behind enemy lines, he was executed on the 24th Oct 1943 at Aitape Beach. Executioner was a one Yasuno Chikao.
I also have no sympathy for the Japanese of WWII especially after the massacres of our servicemen and NURSES at places like Singapore, Ambon, Rabaul etc. Not to mention Japanese cannabalism on the Kokoda Track. | Thanks Wild for the info. Knew it was an Aussie by his appearance and have seen that photo before. Just wasn't sure who or when it was taken. Think I have seen photo in Canberra but again unsure. But as I said the offer still stands to take the afore mentioned gentleman for a personal guided tour of Singapore. I will also be in Cebu Philippines from 12th May to 31st May and my wife and I have to make a trip to Manila during that time for family business but again I can arrange to take this aforementioned gentleman up to Bataan and Corrigdor for a tour. No problem to me as I have planned time around those areas any way. I will be taking photos of the area and I will put them on this web site when my wife and I return back to Australia in June. This will not be done to prove a point but with respect to the Americans on this web site. And this site from Digger History showing the Kwai River Bridge etc Bridge on the River Kwai; the true story
this Rail line and bridge was constructed by forcing Allied Prisoners of War and Civilians of many nationalites including Thais Indians Chinese Malays Burmese etc to construct this bridge and rail line under slave labour conditions It is said for every sleeper on the rail line it signifies the death of 6 Asain Coolies (labourers) who were forced to build that bloody railway line and bridge. Significant places like Hell Fire Pass. Where Australian Prisoners of War were forced to remove tons of rock and rubble by hand using steel bars and hammers and using low grade explosives to do so out of a rock face of granite to form a viaduct for the line itself.. the men were starved and beaten, were rife with diseases such as Malaria Beri Beri Typhoid Cholera Tropical Ulcers Dysntry Elephantitise and every tropical illness you could imagine. Death rates were high from exhaustion and starvation without the added situation of Tropical Diseases. I have yet to read any where except for the Boer War in South Africa Campaign in 1899 1902 that the British had ever treated any POW or Civilian in any where in the Empire with such distant for human life as did the Japanese during WW2 and prior to WW2. Even the Germans said during the 1930s when Japan invaded China and sacked Nanking the then capital of China that the excesses of the Japanese Troops in Nanking was excessive and beyond the scope of humanity. This coming from the then German Government is to say the very least a testment to the brutality of the Japanese during and prior to WW2 that even shocked the then German Government and we do know how the Germans reacted during WW2.
And before this so called person replies. with another nonsense statement I suggest he looks at the title of this thread. An Australian Comfort Woman Survivor to Testify Before Congress. Now only a buffoon would not know the reasons behind this. The woman was forced into Prostitution by the Imperial Japanese Army. She is testifying to the US Congress of the treatment and barbarity she received from the Japanese in WW2. She is also testifying on behalf of literally thousands of Asain women from Countries like Korea Philippines Indonesia China Malaysia Singapore Burma Thailand and other Western Women from England USA Australia New Zealand etc. If this Cojimar has problems understanding most of the Women who are Asian and were forced to be Comfort Women for the IJA have poor English skills or because of their 1 age 2 ethenic background 3 have a suspicion of Governmental agencies for various reason 4 inability to travel due to health etc, because most of these women are in their 70s to 80s age group. It isn't a British thing Cojimar or an allied thing. Its for the Japanese Government of today to recognise that a previous Government of Japan was and is responsible for War Crimes against CIVILIANS Regardless of race or empire or country or anything else your Anti British Mind wants to come up with. It is simpley that Japan and I will say this again so you can understand quiet simply committed War Crimes which they have constantly denied since the end of WW2. And MOST OF THESE WAR CRIMES WERE AGAINST CIVILIANS regardless of RACE COUNTRY ETHENIC BACK GROUND LOCATION OR BY REASON. By this stage hopefully you will understand by this time
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