 | Australian 'Comfort Woman' Survivor to Testify Before Congress on February 15| WW2 General Discuss Australian 'Comfort Woman' Survivor to Testify Before Congress on February 15 in the World War II - General forums; Originally Posted by Cojimar 1945
The amount of atrocities attributed to Japan during the WWII era is simply so enormous ... |
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03-16-2007, 12:35 PM
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#91 | | IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO
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Originally Posted by Cojimar 1945  The amount of atrocities attributed to Japan during the WWII era is simply so enormous that trying to deny comfort women seems pretty silly.
The Japanese would still have to deal with all the horriffic biological warfare experiments that were conducted on humans, all the various massacres in China, the killing of POW's, etc. If the Japanese admit to all these other heinous crimes why would comfort women be an issue? | How would you feel if you, or a family member was one of them?
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03-16-2007, 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Cojimar 1945 The amount of atrocities attributed to Japan during the WWII era is simply so enormous that trying to deny comfort women seems pretty silly.
The Japanese would still have to deal with all the horriffic biological warfare experiments that were conducted on humans, all the various massacres in China, the killing of POW's, etc. If the Japanese admit to all these other heinous crimes why would comfort women be an issue? | Because Cojimar. The stink of War Crimes committed by the Japanese during and before World War 2 goes all the way up to the Japanese Imperial Palace. From Nanking to the end of the war the Imperial Palace was implicated in Atrocities against Civilians for example the Nanking Massacre in 1937/8. The Emperors own Uncles were members of the Military Operating in Nanking China at the time and were in command of regiments of the Imperial Japanese Army at the time in and around Nanking China.
The Japanese Govt denies the whole Nanking Massacre took place to shield the Imperial Household in Japan from War Crimes committed by members of the Imperial Palace.
Quiet simply put those Uncles of the Emperor would have to admit guilt because it was their troops that committed those acts against civilians in China and as such they were in command of these troops at the time.
To say they had not been implicated would mean that the Uncles involved had no control over their own Troops in and around Nanking which is seen as ridiculous that a Military Commander had no knowledge of what his troops were doing.
So the Japanese Govt has no option but to deny Nanking Massacre took place to shield Imperial Palace.
But however there is one more side of the story and something that shames the USA. The US Govt and in particular General Douglas MacArthur made sure that the War Crimes Commission did not actual proscute the Emperor or members of the Imperial Family and major Japanese Industrialist and Politicans of the time during the period of the War Crime Trials in Tokyo and other Asian and Pacific court cases of War Crimes committed by the Japanese.
Some of these Industrialist and Politicans actually profitted from this aggressive war and were found guilty of such but any attempt to implicate these men was squashed or if sentances were carried out they were mild and often they were released in a short period of time from prison.
On this to the absolute credit of the US your government recognised what they had done and it is admitted by the US Government that this was not a crediable thing to have done to interfer in the justice system that should have been allowed to proscute War Criminals from Japan, but the damage had been done unfortunately.
However the Allied Nations of the USA at the time USSR China Great Britian The Netherlands Australia and New Zealand were unimpressed by this stance of the US Govt at the time and in particular the absolute power MacArthur weilded in Japan after the war.
My stance is this Cojimar, Should the Imperial Family and including the Emperor been charged with War Crimes after WW2. My answer is yes very much so. Should Japanese Politicans and Industrialist been charged with War Crimes? Answer Yes absolutely.
Many of these Industrialists and Politicans profitted directly from factories mines industrial manufacturing of War Goods and Transport etc by the use of forced labour from captured civilians and POWs in slave labour conditions in Japan itself and other captured territories and under such is a violation of human rights of treatment of POWs and Civilians and is a War Crime due to it contrevening the Hague and Geneva Conventions. Which Japan was not a signitory of either,
As for MacArthur he should never have been granted that much power in Post War Japan to have interferred with the War Crimes Trials in Tokyo or elsewhere in Asia or the Pacific.
This is not a reflection on the Current US Govt or previous US Govts since MacArthur and Truman but it did strain diplomatic tensions between Allies after the war in the improper dealings with War Criminals from Japan. Which in my opinion has led to Japan denying war crimes such as the Comfort Women or the Nanking Massacre to this very day. Unfortunately in some cases the US is implicated in the cover ups of War Crimes committed by the Japanese in some instances but fortunately not all of course. But the War Crime trials didn't go far enough in the proscution and indictment and imprisonment of War Crimes committed by some Japanese and including the Emperor and his Family | |
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03-18-2007, 10:47 AM
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03-19-2007, 05:18 AM
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03-23-2007, 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet Yes but Austalians Women and about the vast majority of these women were not "recruited" they were forced to do so. | Tradition dies hard in Asia. It is true in South Korea too. Here's a piece of old newspaper article from one of the three major dailies in Korea, called the Tong-A Ilbo. 
I am unable to read Korean, but it is supposed to read that the Korean Police or the Seoul city government is looking for comfort women for U.N. soldiers stationed in Korean Peninsula in September 1st, 1961. The article notifies that the munincipal authorities are now accepting registration for the job. CORRECTION:
I have been informed that this is not about hiring comfort women. The article is about Korean comfort women for the U.N. military forces and the potential trasmission of sexual diseases, for which the Seoul city government are trying to introduce a preventive measure.
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03-23-2007, 09:18 AM
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03-23-2007, 11:14 AM
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Country: | When are you going to realise Islander that some of us are not buying your crap. As for that piece of Paper you put on the website it could be a laundry tag for some ones laundry.
Are you trying to equate with the Sex Industry trade that sprung up during the Vietnam War in S.E.Asia in Philippines and Thailand and Vietnam itself servicing US and Allied Troops in those countries with what Japan had done prior to WW2 and during WW2 with Comfort Women etc. Or is this another denial thread about the War Crimes committed by Japan once more. If this is the case of Comfort Women has come under the notice of the UN Islander what does that tell you. The major difference of the prostitution which raised itself in S.E.Asia during Vietnam War had been going on before in Bangkok and Angel City with pressence of US Servicemen but to say it was sanctioned by the US Military and Government like that of the Japanese Military and Government is a bit far fetched. Especially since Bangkok and Angel City have a very much properous prostitution rackets still going on due to the Sex Trade Vacation and Sex Tours being conducted even today. Which may I add includes Japanese Businessmen who frequent these bars as well as other Foriegners. And according to Interpol. Many of these problems in Thailand and the Philippines have organised criminal gangs working in them. For example the Yakuza from Japan and Triads from China and Hong Kong. Do you honestly believe Islander that the US Govt and Military would sanction organised crime gangs especially when you include the illegal drug trade which is tied up in this area.
But what you are trying to tie in here Islander is that you are suggesting that the US Military and Government had forced women into prostitution in Soeul Bangkok or even Angel City as did the Japanese and Military did during WW2. So then you can feel and amongst your fellow Japanese that the crimes committed 70 years ago against Comfort Women can be deminished. You put this piece into the website admitted you do not read Korean and expect us to believe it was an official notice from Korean Police from 1961 about prostitutes etc and then try and rope the US Government and Military into the Sex Trade in 1961 in Korea and think its the same as what your Government and Military did in the War. One big problem if that notice is what you say it is then the Korean Police were allowing women to choose to become prostitutes for US Servicemen and was not forcing these women under any duress like your Government had done previously during WW2. But as I said before that Korean Notice you placed in this website could be a laundry tag and you admitted you do not read Korean. So that constitutes no evidence just something you dug up from some where and claiming it was about Korean Prostitution. You have tried on numerous occassions to downgrade the Comfort Women on this forum with pathetic attempts to try and deminish the impact your Government and Military of Crimes committed during WW2 against the Comfort Women. That your Government and Military had forced women into prostitution during WW2. Just proves to me how low the Japanese Govt is prepared to go to deny War Crimes even today and the future
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03-23-2007, 10:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Emac44 When are you going to realise Islander that some of us are not buying your crap. As for that piece of Paper you put on the website it could be a laundry tag for some ones laundry. | I believe that suffering is suffering and humiliation is humiliation. If comfort women are going to be saved for their suffering, so should other women who were sexually abused by soldiers of any countries.
American soldiers, for instance, raped 20,000 Japanese women (only reported cases) during the period the U.S. was occupying Japan. South Korean soldiers raped countless women during Vietnam War. Those victims must be compensated only by filing their testimnies to the U.S. and South Korean government. No one can say to those victimized women that their cases are not bad enough, unlike comfort women's cases, and therefore they don't deserve state apology and compansation.
It is time for the U.S. Congress to issue a statement to the world that the U.S. is going to unconditionally accept all tesimonies from all women who claim that they were sexually victimized by American soldiers in the past or at present, and, without questions, they will receive official apology on behalf of all American poeple and compenstion, 50,000 dollars each. | |
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03-24-2007, 03:55 AM
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Originally Posted by islander I believe that suffering is suffering and humiliation is humiliation. If comfort women are going to be saved for their suffering, so should other women who were sexually abused by soldiers of any countries.
American soldiers, for instance, raped 20,000 Japanese women (only reported cases) during the period the U.S. was occupying Japan. South Korean soldiers raped countless women during Vietnam War. Those victims must be compensated only by filing their testimnies to the U.S. and South Korean government. No one can say to those victimized women that their cases are not bad enough, unlike comfort women's cases, and therefore they don't deserve state apology and compansation.
It is time for the U.S. Congress to issue a statement to the world that the U.S. is going to unconditionally accept all tesimonies from all women who claim that they were sexually victimized by American soldiers in the past or at present, and, without questions, they will receive official apology on behalf of all American poeple and compenstion, 50,000 dollars each. | 20,000 Raped women by US servicemen? Perhaps - but when a US soldier goes bad and is caught, not only is he punished, we show it to the whole world. Can the Japanese government make the same claim? They can't because an apology is a disgrace!!!!
OK - let's pay restitution to those 20,000 women you say were rapped by US servicemen - but just to even the score why don't we nuke a few more Japanese cities "Just for old times sake" and then we could all it even!
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Country: | I regard any woman or child raped by any servicemen from any country a crime Islander but perhaps when you government admits its war crimes as other countries have done for example Germany and makes restittution to the victims then I will be satisfied. At the moment your country has failed to do any of this. As FBJ has said any US Sericeman or Woman committing a crime is dealt with by the US Government accordingly. as for example the current case of rape and murder of Iraqi citizens before the US Courts at the moment and that of Prisoner Abuse by US Military in Baghdad. Also I might add so is the British Government of its Military and abuses by British Soldiers in Iraq of Iraqi Citizens. Japan has had a dismal piss poor response to any war crimes committed by Japanese Military and Government in and prior to World War 2 and to date has rejected many claims upon it by 1 Comfort Women 2 Citizens or foriegn nationals of other countries like China Malaysia Philippines Korea Australia New Zealand Great Britian The Netherlands Indonesia Thailand Burma Singapore and a myrid of Pacific Island Nations 3 Claims by former Prisoners of War who were held by Japanese Military in invaded countries by Japan and the Home Islands of Japan 4 Admission of Chemical and Biological war Fare by Japan in China 5 Murder rape and atrocities committed by Japanese Miltary upon civilian populations in other countries 6 Atrocities committed by Japanese Troops on civilains pows and recorded massacres by Japanese Troops over the period of from 1937 to 1945 and as such Japan needs to recognise and compenstae all victims of Japanese aggression. As in the case the US Government was to do the same. But Japan has never recognised its obligation to war crimes as your Diet has constantly rejected any claims made by any one against War Crimes committed by Japan. I do agree if its is proven that if US Troops had committed Rape of 20,000 Japanese women during the occupation then the US Government has to take responsiblity of said crimes. As so does Korea. But seeing that Japan has constantly denied claims against it and the distortion in your history books about Japanese War Atrocities and Crimes during WW2 that are taught to your children in Japan. Then in my view Japan needs to be abled to lead by example. Which to date it hasn't. So when Islander is Japan going to stop ****ing about and get on with it and own up to its war crimes like Germany has in the past since WW2 and your Government has contatntly denied such Atrocites even before WW2 for example the Rape of Nanking in 1937/38 the involvement of members of the Imperial House of Japan in War Crimes pertaining to Nanking. Your Government today still insists Nanking didn't occur and ultra right wing organisations in Japan demiss Nanking as Chinese Propaganda and your Government inisist that 300,000 deaths in Nanking could not be attributed to the Japanese Government or Military as it isn't possible for Japan to have committed this act or 2 uncles of your former Emperor took part in this act as military commanders of your army when it attacked Nanking in 1937. Your country's human rights abuses go further back to the 19th century in Korea and into the 20th century as well in other parts of Asia and your country has the audascity to try and shift responsiblity of these crimes to others like for example what your Prime Minister Abe has done recently as in the case of the Comfort Women attributing it to contractors of your government and miltary and in future Islander when you quote me use all of the all of my last posting. And I still stand by what I said some of us are not buying your crap. As for that piece from some obscure newspaper clipping in Korean from 1961 it is meaningless as you do not read Korean and nor do I to translate it into English. I question its valdity as I said it could be an advertisement for a laundry for all the good you placed it onto this forum and website. You need to prove your arguement not with something that is written in Korean and you expect as to believe it perbatim. If you think I don't trust the Japanese Government you would be correct in assuming that. As Japan has shown me no reason to trust it
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03-24-2007, 11:26 AM
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03-24-2007, 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by islander I believe that suffering is suffering and humiliation is humiliation. If comfort women are going to be saved for their suffering, so should other women who were sexually abused by soldiers of any countries.
American soldiers, for instance, raped 20,000 Japanese women (only reported cases) during the period the U.S. was occupying Japan. South Korean soldiers raped countless women during Vietnam War. Those victims must be compensated only by filing their testimnies to the U.S. and South Korean government. No one can say to those victimized women that their cases are not bad enough, unlike comfort women's cases, and therefore they don't deserve state apology and compansation.
It is time for the U.S. Congress to issue a statement to the world that the U.S. is going to unconditionally accept all tesimonies from all women who claim that they were sexually victimized by American soldiers in the past or at present, and, without questions, they will receive official apology on behalf of all American poeple and compenstion, 50,000 dollars each. | Oh brother that is such BULLSHIT! Come on man. I can not believe you are trying to compare the two things.
Do you know what the difference is. The US Government never ever ever condoned the rape of civilians or anyone for that matter. If a US soldier is found to have raped someone they are tried in court and if found guilty they go to jail. It is still military law that if a US soldier commits rape they can be put to death.
Do you know how I know that. I was a US soldier, and damn proud of it!
The Japanese military as a whole knew of these practices and condoned them. The Japanese military of WW2 and Government of WW2 needs to answer for there crimes!
Come on Japan it is about time to get rid of the ghosts and own up to your criminal past.
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Country: | And further differences is to Islander. The US and Korean Militaries and Governments would not condone rape or crimes against civilians by their Military or have taken an active part on behalf of their Militaries in committing crimes against women or children. The Japanese Government and Military did just that prior to World War 2 and and during World War 2 and if found guilty US Service Personal are charged under Military Law and then Civilian Laws of the US for committing crimes up and including rape and murder which carries capital punishment in the US including the death sentance if they are found guilty of committting crimes so servere whilst in the military service of their country. Can Japan claim she has processed any one on War Crimes or the Rape of Civilian Women in Occupied Countries that Japan and her Military occupied during WW2 and consquent trials took place. Do not even try to say about Tokyo War Crimes Trials because you and I both know Japan would have never proceeded to the Trials volunterrily in 1946 for War Crimes etc | |
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03-26-2007, 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet I dont think he gets the point. | Nor do I Adler. I think Islander has an agenda all of his own about this debate on Comfort Women and subsquent War Crimes committed by Japan during WW2. I maybe wrong but something about his attempts to smear this debate on Comfort Women doe not sit well with me and him from Japan raises suspicions from me straight away. And according to the web site he has made no other submissions of any kind on the web site on any other post except about 6 posts on this debate. Seems to me a bit strange that being in an Aeroplane forum he would have made some type of submission about aircraft but he hasn't according to his profile information. I am not questioning about why he hasn't made submissions on other forum debates but what is his agenda. And he must have known straight away that others would jump him as soon as he began debating his agenda on this forum on Comfort Women especially when he is from Japan. Not trying to malign him personally but my suspicions are raised to his agenda on why ok Adler
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