Aviation time travel - Aircraft of World War II

comiso90 · 01-10-2007, 10:22 PM

You have three post-war aircraft total with unlimited maintenance support for any two week period between 1938 - 1945. Your mission is to make the most dramatic impact on the war for any chosen nation. Please exclude strategic heavy bombers and nukes.

Three B-52s with anti-shipping missiles and nukes is too easy!

A-10s, Longbow Apaches over Kursk or North Africa---- POLAND?

1 AC 130 and 2 F-86s over Bastogne for Germany (after the weather cleared)

Even two sea furies and an AWACS would have been interesting on Dec 7 1941 over Pearl Harbor for the Yanks.

Harriers, Tornados or Jaguars during the Battle of Britain?

Vassili Zaitzev · 01-16-2007, 08:45 AM

Hmm.
3 A10 Thunderbolts with TOW missiles going against German armor in Operation Barbarossa.
3 F-22 Raptors covering the U.S.S. Yorktown in battle of Midway. ( not a big dramatic impact, but hey, I like the Yorktown).
Lastly, 3 Apache or Cobra attack helicopters taking out Japanese Troops invading Wake Island.

HealzDevo · 01-21-2007, 09:53 PM

3 Apache Longbows, 3 AC-130s and 3 CH-53 Super Stallions.
The Apaches for taking out Armour and limited air-support. The AC-130s for taking out bunkers and troop concentrations. The CH-53 Super Stallions for bringing in troops to drop at strategic points on Iwo Jima.

comiso90 · 01-22-2007, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Vassili Zaitzev

Hmm.
3 A10 Thunderbolts with TOW missiles going against German armor in Operation Barbarossa.
3 F-22 Raptors covering the U.S.S. Yorktown in battle of Midway. ( not a big dramatic impact, but hey, I like the Yorktown).
Lastly, 3 Apache or Cobra attack helicopters taking out Japanese Troops invading Wake Island.

It seems to me that the F-22 wouldnt be all that effective.. i suppose they could intercept them very far from the target but a dog fight is hard to imagine. I would think that sea furies or bearcats would do more damage.

consider that the US didn't have air superiority.. the choppers may have been over whelmed.

comiso90 · 01-22-2007, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by HealzDevo

3 Apache Longbows, 3 AC-130s and 3 CH-53 Super Stallions.
The Apaches for taking out Armour and limited air-support. The AC-130s for taking out bunkers and troop concentrations. The CH-53 Super Stallions for bringing in troops to drop at strategic points on Iwo Jima.

CH-53's on Guadacanal woulda been pretty darn helpful too.

mkloby · 01-22-2007, 03:33 PM

US uses CH-53's as heavy lifters, not as air assault. 46's are better suited for air assault, and that's their mission.

timshatz · 01-22-2007, 03:46 PM

All of scenarios are tactical. Think big, think out of the box. Here are two night missions.

3 A6 Intruders each carrying 8 2,000 lbs bombs each. 4each of the 2,000 pounders on each carrier of the Japanese attack force going for Pearl Harbor and Dec 7th never happens.

3 F111s on seperate missions over Rome, Berlin and Moscow on September 3rd, 1939 dropping laser guided bombs and WW2 totally changes. No Hitler, No Mussolinini, No Stalin.

All the tactical birds, no matter if it were Kursk or Guadalcanal or any other place, all have the same problems of having to come down and re-arm/refuel. They're also vunerable to ground fire. Eventually, they'll be used up. Probably on the same day.

k9kiwi · 01-22-2007, 03:48 PM

3 Ac-130 for beach suppresion June 6 1944.

Air supremacy has been supplied already, so no serious need for a modern fighter.

Would of made a huge difference on Omaha beach.

comiso90 · 01-22-2007, 03:57 PM

[QUOTE=timshatz;218487]All of scenarios are tactical. Think big, think out of the box. Here are two night missions.

3 F111s on seperate missions over Rome, Berlin and Moscow on September 3rd, 1939 dropping laser guided bombs and WW2 totally changes. No Hitler, No Mussolinini, No Stalin.

/QUOTE]

i like the fact u mentioned Stalin!

comiso90 · 01-22-2007, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by k9kiwi

3 Ac-130 for beach suppresion June 6 1944.

Air supremacy has been supplied already, so no serious need for a modern fighter.

Would of made a huge difference on Omaha beach.

What is the operational altitude for the AC -130? The germans had an awful lot of triple A and an orbiting AC-130 would been a big fat target.

pbfoot · 01-22-2007, 04:11 PM

3 A10 s for fighter /attack/ strategic bombing as they would blow the doors off any fighter opposition ,carry and deliver strategic weapons and the attack factor is not disputable
3 P3's would ensure control of the seas and would be an excellent intelligence gatherers
3 Blawkhawks just to do what they do

Glider · 01-22-2007, 04:48 PM

1 x AWACS and 2 x Phantoms in the battle over Berlin supporting the poor old Lancs and Halifax's. 8 x air to air missiles each plus the 20mm Gatling a night should knock a hole in the German nightfighters over a two week period

johnbr · 01-22-2007, 05:27 PM

3 B1b with air fuel bombs and cruise missiles
3 A10
3 Blawkhawks

timshatz · 01-22-2007, 06:42 PM

/QUOTE]

i like the fact u mentioned Stalin![/QUOTE]

Not a big fan of the comrades. Stalin, Pol Pot, Kim Il Jong, you name it, all a bunch of losers.

Sorry for the thread drift. Back to the topic.

A10s are damage resistant but they will come down if hit hard enough. Germans had 20mm, 37mm, 88mm, ect all over the invasion area. While it is designed to take more of a pounding than comprable aircraft, it will come down if hit by the right weapon at the right place.

k9kiwi · 01-22-2007, 06:46 PM

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What is the operational altitude for the AC -130? The germans had an awful lot of triple A and an orbiting AC-130 would been a big fat target.

Stand off with sensors and 105's to flatten AA. Then move in as needed on hot spots.

01-10-2007, 10:22 PM	#1
comiso90 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: FL Posts: 3,517	Aviation time travel You have three post-war aircraft total with unlimited maintenance support for any two week period between 1938 - 1945. Your mission is to make the most dramatic impact on the war for any chosen nation. Please exclude strategic heavy bombers and nukes. Three B-52s with anti-shipping missiles and nukes is too easy! A-10s, Longbow Apaches over Kursk or North Africa---- POLAND? 1 AC 130 and 2 F-86s over Bastogne for Germany (after the weather cleared) Even two sea furies and an AWACS would have been interesting on Dec 7 1941 over Pearl Harbor for the Yanks. Harriers, Tornados or Jaguars during the Battle of Britain? Last edited by comiso90; 01-10-2007 at 10:28 PM.

01-22-2007, 03:33 PM	#6
mkloby Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Jacksonville, NC Posts: 3,562	US uses CH-53's as heavy lifters, not as air assault. 46's are better suited for air assault, and that's their mission. __________________ If the Army and the Navy ever look on heaven's scenes, they will find the streets are guarded by United States Marines

01-22-2007, 03:46 PM	#7
timshatz Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Phila, Pa Posts: 3,816	All of scenarios are tactical. Think big, think out of the box. Here are two night missions. 3 A6 Intruders each carrying 8 2,000 lbs bombs each. 4each of the 2,000 pounders on each carrier of the Japanese attack force going for Pearl Harbor and Dec 7th never happens. 3 F111s on seperate missions over Rome, Berlin and Moscow on September 3rd, 1939 dropping laser guided bombs and WW2 totally changes. No Hitler, No Mussolinini, No Stalin. All the tactical birds, no matter if it were Kursk or Guadalcanal or any other place, all have the same problems of having to come down and re-arm/refuel. They're also vunerable to ground fire. Eventually, they'll be used up. Probably on the same day. Last edited by timshatz; 01-22-2007 at 03:49 PM.

01-22-2007, 03:48 PM	#8
k9kiwi Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Kiwi Land Posts: 850	3 Ac-130 for beach suppresion June 6 1944. Air supremacy has been supplied already, so no serious need for a modern fighter. Would of made a huge difference on Omaha beach. __________________ 4 out of 5 voices in my head say I am normal. Majority rules. You're just jealous because the voices only talk to me.

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01-16-2007, 08:45 AM	#2
Vassili Zaitzev Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Stafford Springs, Connecticut Posts: 2,482	Hmm. 3 A10 Thunderbolts with TOW missiles going against German armor in Operation Barbarossa. 3 F-22 Raptors covering the U.S.S. Yorktown in battle of Midway. ( not a big dramatic impact, but hey, I like the Yorktown). Lastly, 3 Apache or Cobra attack helicopters taking out Japanese Troops invading Wake Island.

01-21-2007, 09:53 PM	#3
HealzDevo Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Queensland Posts: 1,251	3 Apache Longbows, 3 AC-130s and 3 CH-53 Super Stallions. The Apaches for taking out Armour and limited air-support. The AC-130s for taking out bunkers and troop concentrations. The CH-53 Super Stallions for bringing in troops to drop at strategic points on Iwo Jima.

01-22-2007, 03:57 PM	#9
comiso90 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: FL Posts: 3,517	[QUOTE=timshatz;218487]All of scenarios are tactical. Think big, think out of the box. Here are two night missions. 3 F111s on seperate missions over Rome, Berlin and Moscow on September 3rd, 1939 dropping laser guided bombs and WW2 totally changes. No Hitler, No Mussolinini, No Stalin. /QUOTE] i like the fact u mentioned Stalin!

01-22-2007, 04:11 PM	#11
pbfoot Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: niagara falls Posts: 5,958	3 A10 s for fighter /attack/ strategic bombing as they would blow the doors off any fighter opposition ,carry and deliver strategic weapons and the attack factor is not disputable 3 P3's would ensure control of the seas and would be an excellent intelligence gatherers 3 Blawkhawks just to do what they do

01-22-2007, 04:48 PM	#12
Glider Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: London Posts: 3,913	1 x AWACS and 2 x Phantoms in the battle over Berlin supporting the poor old Lancs and Halifax's. 8 x air to air missiles each plus the 20mm Gatling a night should knock a hole in the German nightfighters over a two week period

01-22-2007, 05:27 PM	#13
johnbr Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: London Ontario Canada Posts: 303	3 B1b with air fuel bombs and cruise missiles 3 A10 3 Blawkhawks

01-22-2007, 06:42 PM	#14
timshatz Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Phila, Pa Posts: 3,816	/QUOTE] i like the fact u mentioned Stalin![/QUOTE] Not a big fan of the comrades. Stalin, Pol Pot, Kim Il Jong, you name it, all a bunch of losers. Sorry for the thread drift. Back to the topic. A10s are damage resistant but they will come down if hit hard enough. Germans had 20mm, 37mm, 88mm, ect all over the invasion area. While it is designed to take more of a pounding than comprable aircraft, it will come down if hit by the right weapon at the right place.