The Battle of Romania - Aircraft of World War II

Konigstiger205 · 08-20-2007, 04:24 AM

During the summer of 1944 my country found itself with the Red Army right to our eastern border....there was little we could have done...our army was weakened by already 2 years of war and the Battle of Stalingrad really took its toll.
On august 23 1944 the government with the help of the king Michael I decided to took the power from Ion Antonescu and to declare war on Germany.It was the only choice to reduce the damage to our country by the soviets.
Despite the fact that we were allied with the Red Army, soviet troops continued to rape and pillage everything they could.The raping didn't stop even as they reach our capital city and women were taken and raped in the street as they marched trough the city.
Although our choice made on 23 august apparently shorted the war with a few months our contribution isn't that much remembered and the only reason we entered the war alongside Germany was to liberate parts of our country from the soviets.
The end of the war brought the beginning of a dark period for my country which resulted with more than 50 years of communist regime.
If you want more info check the next link Battle of Romania (1944) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

timshatz · 08-20-2007, 07:58 AM

Romania was in a no win situation from the time Hitler/Stalin came to power. One or the other was going to come after them, both being expansionist.

Changing sides was probably making the best out of a terrible situation.

Konigstiger205 · 08-20-2007, 10:43 AM

Unfortunately for our sorry asses that is true...our country always found itself in the middle of a conflict and alway in the path of a superpower.....from the romans until the russians.One may think that after almost 2000 years of conflicts my nation has hardened but its the other way around and these days Romania's army is a shadow of what it was once.The government even thinks of dissolving the army....sad but true...

Lucky13 · 08-23-2007, 03:01 AM

Kinda wish that Romania will have 2000 years of peace Konig.....
I know what you mean, we get less and less of the Army, Air Force
and navy around here in this country too.

Konigstiger205 · 08-23-2007, 03:06 AM

Everyone wants peace but in these days no army is like throwing yourself to the lions....

Lucky13 · 08-23-2007, 03:13 AM

Exactly Konig. You just sit and wait for someone to jump you when you least expect it.....

timshatz · 08-23-2007, 08:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lucky13

Exactly Konig. You just sit and wait for someone to jump you when you least expect it.....

Not much you can do even if you do expect it. No military means you are only a target, unless you have a heavy duty friend next door.

Konigstiger205 · 09-01-2007, 03:05 AM

My country was attacked by every country near us during more than 2000 years of existence but like I said...my country is lead by idiots...

Udet · 09-03-2007, 01:50 PM

Konig, buna...

I agree with you the position of Romania during WW2 was not pleasant at all...huge oil reserves which attracted the interest of Hitler, and the big soviet bear sharing the border and also filing its own territorial claims.

As someone told me before, the most loyal ally the Germans had were the Hungarias who for some reason did not switch sides as the war progressed, but it is understandable when one knows of the position other Axis nations found themselves at a certain point of the war.

Cand, cand...si c*m e la viata pe acolo prin Romania din punct de devere fericire si economic? Din ce oras esti tu? Romania frumoasa!

Soundbreaker Welch? · 09-03-2007, 11:19 PM

Pretty callous and even cruel of the Soviet officers to not try and control their soldiers violence in a Allied country like Romania.

Konigstiger205 · 09-04-2007, 02:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soundbreaker Welch?

Pretty callous and even cruel of the Soviet officers to not try and control their soldiers violence in a Allied country like Romania.

Well the soviet soldiers never knew control ever since entered Europe and no country escaped their violence and to be honest there were no problems when we had the germans here....sure the soviets had reasons to hate us but we were dragged in that war...we had no other choice and the fact that we were on the allied side was recognized by the U.S.A. and Britain....

Soundbreaker Welch? · 09-04-2007, 03:31 AM

Nicer Germans. Yup.

How many men Romania did have even fighting the Soviets? I guess the Axis occupied them so I imagine it was mostly Germans in the field.

Konigstiger205 · 09-04-2007, 07:48 AM

The Romanian contribution of troops was enormous. The total number of troops involved in the Romanian Third Army and the Romanian Fourth Army was second only to Nazi Germany itself. The number of Romanian troops sent to fight in Russia exceeded that of all of Germany's other allies combined. A Country Study by the U.S. Federal Research Division of the Library of Congress attributes this to "morbid competition with Hungary to curry Hitler's favor ... [in hope of]... regaining northern Transylvania."[1]

App 130.000 soldiers were taken POW's by the Red Army after 23 august 1944 after Romania was officially at war with Germany.
Before 23 august 1944:

Killed in action
Total
Army 70.406
Air Force 972
Navy 207
Grand total 71.585

Missing in action
Total
Army 307.476
Air Force 838
Navy 1.219
Grand total 309.533

The numbers speak for themselves...

Soundbreaker Welch? · 09-08-2007, 10:08 PM

Romania really suffered for little benefit. Too bad.

Konigstiger205 · 09-09-2007, 08:57 AM

Yeah and the land we fought for declared its independence after 1991....of course we did get Transilvania back from the Hungarians...

08-20-2007, 04:24 AM	#1
Konigstiger205 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Bucharest Posts: 909	The Battle of Romania During the summer of 1944 my country found itself with the Red Army right to our eastern border....there was little we could have done...our army was weakened by already 2 years of war and the Battle of Stalingrad really took its toll. On august 23 1944 the government with the help of the king Michael I decided to took the power from Ion Antonescu and to declare war on Germany.It was the only choice to reduce the damage to our country by the soviets. Despite the fact that we were allied with the Red Army, soviet troops continued to rape and pillage everything they could.The raping didn't stop even as they reach our capital city and women were taken and raped in the street as they marched trough the city. Although our choice made on 23 august apparently shorted the war with a few months our contribution isn't that much remembered and the only reason we entered the war alongside Germany was to liberate parts of our country from the soviets. The end of the war brought the beginning of a dark period for my country which resulted with more than 50 years of communist regime. If you want more info check the next link Battle of Romania (1944) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia __________________ These airplanes we have today are no more than a perfection of a child's toy made of paper."Henri Coanda"

08-20-2007, 10:43 AM	#3
Konigstiger205 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Bucharest Posts: 909	Unfortunately for our sorry asses that is true...our country always found itself in the middle of a conflict and alway in the path of a superpower.....from the romans until the russians.One may think that after almost 2000 years of conflicts my nation has hardened but its the other way around and these days Romania's army is a shadow of what it was once.The government even thinks of dissolving the army....sad but true... __________________ These airplanes we have today are no more than a perfection of a child's toy made of paper."Henri Coanda"

08-23-2007, 03:01 AM	#4
Lucky13 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A Swede living in Glasgow, Scotland Posts: 17,325	Kinda wish that Romania will have 2000 years of peace Konig..... I know what you mean, we get less and less of the Army, Air Force and navy around here in this country too. __________________ JAN "Felicis Tredecim" "I´m going back to the front to relax" "THE BLACK CATS FLIES TONIGHT" "Find your enemy and shoot him down - everything else is unimportant!" "When you're out of F-8's... You're out of fighters!"

08-23-2007, 03:06 AM	#5
Konigstiger205 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Bucharest Posts: 909	Everyone wants peace but in these days no army is like throwing yourself to the lions.... __________________ These airplanes we have today are no more than a perfection of a child's toy made of paper."Henri Coanda"

08-23-2007, 03:13 AM	#6
Lucky13 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A Swede living in Glasgow, Scotland Posts: 17,325	Exactly Konig. You just sit and wait for someone to jump you when you least expect it..... __________________ JAN "Felicis Tredecim" "I´m going back to the front to relax" "THE BLACK CATS FLIES TONIGHT" "Find your enemy and shoot him down - everything else is unimportant!" "When you're out of F-8's... You're out of fighters!"

08-20-2007, 07:58 AM	#2
timshatz Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Phila, Pa Posts: 3,800	Romania was in a no win situation from the time Hitler/Stalin came to power. One or the other was going to come after them, both being expansionist. Changing sides was probably making the best out of a terrible situation.

09-01-2007, 03:05 AM	#8
Konigstiger205 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Bucharest Posts: 909	My country was attacked by every country near us during more than 2000 years of existence but like I said...my country is lead by idiots... __________________ These airplanes we have today are no more than a perfection of a child's toy made of paper."Henri Coanda"

09-03-2007, 01:50 PM	#9
Udet Banned Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,258	Konig, buna... I agree with you the position of Romania during WW2 was not pleasant at all...huge oil reserves which attracted the interest of Hitler, and the big soviet bear sharing the border and also filing its own territorial claims. As someone told me before, the most loyal ally the Germans had were the Hungarias who for some reason did not switch sides as the war progressed, but it is understandable when one knows of the position other Axis nations found themselves at a certain point of the war. Cand, cand...si cm e la viata pe acolo prin Romania din punct de devere fericire si economic? Din ce oras esti tu? Romania frumoasa! Last edited by Udet; 09-03-2007 at 01:55 PM.*

09-03-2007, 11:19 PM	#10
Soundbreaker Welch? Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Colorado, USA Posts: 1,896	Pretty callous and even cruel of the Soviet officers to not try and control their soldiers violence in a Allied country like Romania. __________________ "His motor's conked out!" "What's the differance, they're all Nazis!" "Luke, shut up!" "Fear the hook!" "Oh.....I wanna fly." "You mean the kind that go under water and fly up the stairs?" "What you doing? Oh Nooooo!"

09-04-2007, 03:31 AM	#12
Soundbreaker Welch? Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Colorado, USA Posts: 1,896	Nicer Germans. Yup. How many men Romania did have even fighting the Soviets? I guess the Axis occupied them so I imagine it was mostly Germans in the field. __________________ "His motor's conked out!" "What's the differance, they're all Nazis!" "Luke, shut up!" "Fear the hook!" "Oh.....I wanna fly." "You mean the kind that go under water and fly up the stairs?" "What you doing? Oh Nooooo!"

09-04-2007, 07:48 AM	#13
Konigstiger205 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Bucharest Posts: 909	The Romanian contribution of troops was enormous. The total number of troops involved in the Romanian Third Army and the Romanian Fourth Army was second only to Nazi Germany itself. The number of Romanian troops sent to fight in Russia exceeded that of all of Germany's other allies combined. A Country Study by the U.S. Federal Research Division of the Library of Congress attributes this to "morbid competition with Hungary to curry Hitler's favor ... [in hope of]... regaining northern Transylvania."[1] App 130.000 soldiers were taken POW's by the Red Army after 23 august 1944 after Romania was officially at war with Germany. Before 23 august 1944: Killed in action Total Army 70.406 Air Force 972 Navy 207 Grand total 71.585 Missing in action Total Army 307.476 Air Force 838 Navy 1.219 Grand total 309.533 The numbers speak for themselves... __________________ These airplanes we have today are no more than a perfection of a child's toy made of paper."Henri Coanda"

09-08-2007, 10:08 PM	#14
Soundbreaker Welch? Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Colorado, USA Posts: 1,896	Romania really suffered for little benefit. Too bad. __________________ "His motor's conked out!" "What's the differance, they're all Nazis!" "Luke, shut up!" "Fear the hook!" "Oh.....I wanna fly." "You mean the kind that go under water and fly up the stairs?" "What you doing? Oh Nooooo!"

09-09-2007, 08:57 AM	#15
Konigstiger205 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Bucharest Posts: 909	Yeah and the land we fought for declared its independence after 1991....of course we did get Transilvania back from the Hungarians... __________________ These airplanes we have today are no more than a perfection of a child's toy made of paper."Henri Coanda"

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