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11-10-2006, 07:41 AM
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#151 | | Senior Member
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Country:  | Redcoat this is exactly the purpose of the harassment. Do not give in to it. When no one can touch your source they have to play the man. | 
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11-10-2006, 07:56 AM
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#152 | | World Traveler
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11-10-2006, 08:07 AM
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#153 | | Senior Member
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Originally Posted by Gnomey  No-one can touch your source if it doesn't exist... | Please be so good as to indicate which source you doubt. Then I can dispell your cofusion. | |
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11-10-2006, 08:17 AM
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#154 | | Der Crewchief
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Originally Posted by m kenny Well a 'wise ass' should be easy to discredit. Instead of general abuse show me where the figures are wrong.
And you need to understand that a big mouth does not give you the right to discredit 'statistics' that are indeed 'accurate'.
Perhaps you could tell me why the official US Army figures for destroyed tanks are 'not 100% accurate?
Why are the German monthly round ups of tanks lost in Normandy 'not accurate'
Have you found mistakes in the UK table of tanks lost in June/July and August of 1944?
They are not 'my numbers' so please show me where they are wrong.
I can see your problem though. The figures punch a huge hole in the mythical 5:1 Panther/Tiger ratio. To get back to this distortion you do need to ignore the real totals.
Other than invective can you add anything here?
By the way you misquoted me. I said:
" Can I ask why people are saying there is a 5:1 kill ratio?"
Rateh than your distorted
"Where on earth did the rumour start up about there only being a 2:1 ratio???"
If you believe the conclusion to be wrong then show why. Losing your temper may be theraputic but it is rarely informative.
I should defer to those who recycle myth as reality?
This is forum policy?
The way I see it 'pal' is my information has upset a lot of people here.
They constantly tell me I am 'wrong'
The deride my information.
They insult me.
But they not one of them has posted a fact that casts the slightest doubt on anything I wrote.
I do not claim that 'I' am right.
It is not 'my' discovery.
It is in the monthly loss tables.
I have just given them more exposure.
Show the facts are wrong. Prove the figures are bogus.
Do that instead of hysterical chest thumping and you might get somewhere.
To make it simple.
Can anyone here give me examples where a Tiger Unit in Normandy achieved a 10:1 kill ratio?
Cite specific examples where individual Tigers took on and beat 10 Shermans,?
5 Shermans?
As this 5:1 was the norm there should be mountains of evidence to back it up.
We already know about Wittmann and Barkmann but I am after the ordinary everyday German tanker and his 5 kills.
Please do not bother posting Willy Feys account of August 7th. It is bogus.
No screaming or little girl tantrums now, just the facts. | That is the thing m kenny. Is we dont have to prove anything especially with stats. We know the stats are there. No one is saying that Tigres were not destroyed. What we are saying is technologically the Tiger was more advanced than any allied tank and was one on one superior. No one is challenging your stats. So as some one else said get off your high horse!
I dont care what you know about German tanks or what you dont know about them. I know with common sense that with a better gun, better armour the Tiger is better than anything that the allies put up. So get off your fricken national pride because I dont care about it!
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11-10-2006, 08:18 AM
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#155 | | Der Crewchief
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Originally Posted by m kenny Redcoat this is exactly the purpose of the harassment. Do not give in to it. When no one can touch your source they have to play the man. | He does not want to be part of this forum, he is gone.
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11-10-2006, 08:19 AM
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#156 | | Der Crewchief
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Originally Posted by redcoat Actually could you do me a favour, and remove me from the members list... I no longer wish to be associated with this forum.
Bye folks  |
Goodbye dont let the door hit you on your way out.
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11-10-2006, 08:34 AM
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#157 | | Senior Member
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Originally Posted by Soren M_kenny you are infact the one who is making stuff up. | Now is your chance. Show everyone my fabrication and I am finished. Quote: |
But Ok M_kenny, whats your source exactly ??
| Source for what, exactly?
Give me a specific example where you want clarification. Quote: |
Also please prove that the Allied rule of thumb that it took 5 shermans for every Tiger is wrong - I'm very interested in this since a very regarded expert on these matters from bovington told me about this fact.
| And this 'very regarded expert ' from Bovington is............. Name him and we can check how well regarded he is ourselves. If neccessary I will contact him to see why he would say this.
Do you realise what you ask?
I have to prove your case for you do I?
It would be far easier for you to give examples of this ratio-if you had any examples-I know you have none.
If you want to enter a name dropping contest with 'regarded experts' then I can oblige you.
Do you want to know which German Tiger super expert asked me for help on his last book about Normandy Tigers? Only one specific area but still.........
Which UK 'regarded expert' game me a credit in his last article in After The Battle Magazine (no.132)
How many articles have you been asked cast your eye over before they go for publication?
I will stop there before I am accused of bragging. Quote: |
Now read a book by Thomas L. Jentz would you, cause you desperately need to !
| Which one? Pick one of my titles and I will read it. I have 32 books by Jentz.
After all this chest thumping can we get back on topic?
Can anyone show the official loss figures are incorrect, mistaken or downright falsified? | |
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11-10-2006, 08:36 AM
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#158 | | Senior Member
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Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet So get off your fricken national pride because I dont care about it! | Another miss. I am Irish. What national pride did you think was involved? | |
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11-10-2006, 08:41 AM
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#159 | | Der Crewchief
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Originally Posted by m kenny Another miss. I am Irish. What national pride did you think was involved? | I dont give a damn if you are Irish, Japanese, or Zwahili, you dont get off your high horse you can get out of here as well.
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11-10-2006, 08:43 AM
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#160 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | Oh and by the way. I dont give a damn what books you helped out on.
YOU CAN BITE ME!
You see when you tell me to go and Bite you, I will help you leave! No one I repeat no one in this forum will tell me to Bite Them!
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11-10-2006, 08:54 AM
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#161 | | Senior Member
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I don't think I have every seen anyone make such a butthead out of themselves as you have.
You "claim" to have all these "facts" to prove us wrong??? Where I see none of them. Still have me asking ans asking you to post facts you have done nothing. All you have posted yet is numbers from France in 1944 which like I have twice now are totally not on subject. Would you like me to post fighter production numbers of German in 1944? If I did it would make about as much sense as the numbers you have posted. So despite you claiming to be a tank expert you have shown me nothing to even get me to check your numbers. You just say how the german tanks were not "that" good but you post no facts what so ever. When I person such as yourself claims to be a genuis about something and you can't back up your claims you look like the a jackass. No one here but your yourself claims to be an expert on anything.
I tried to do you a favor and warn you about you attitude but you choose to ignore my friendly warnings. Now I am guessing you stay will be here less then 24 hours from now. You have pissed of the wrong person on this forum, the Minister of Whoopass and Chris. See Les is the local Great White Shark here, he takes care of morons that come to this site. Chris is also the law here and it seems you have ticked him off also. I am guess this will be my last post to you so, Good bye. 
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11-10-2006, 09:44 AM
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#162 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | You see what I wish to see is how is a Sherman or any other allied tank superior to the Tiger, King Tiger, or Panther. That is all I want to see.
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11-10-2006, 09:56 AM
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#163 | | Senior Member
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Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet You see what I wish to see is how is a Sherman or any other allied tank superior to the Tiger, King Tiger, or Panther. That is all I want to see. | I know Chris thats all you, and I keep asking him. But he cannot or will not post anything about that. B/c he knows the Tiger/Panther/Tiger2 are better. You and I don't care if they are better but we at least acknowledge they are better. We call it as we see it, good is good and bad is bad, we don't care if it German or USA or British or anything else. But he is so clearly baised in favor of Allied tanks its not even funny.
Add into the mix he is rude, abrasive, arrogant and thinks he knows waaaaay more than he actually does. Thats a bad mix. Chris you know I don't get into many (almost none) arguements but this guy is too much to just sit here. He calls us all Uberpanzer fans and I take that as a insult to me and to this forum and the people on this forum.
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11-10-2006, 11:16 AM
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#164 | | World Traveler
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Originally Posted by m kenny Please be so good as to indicate which source you doubt. Then I can dispell your cofusion. | I would like to see you state one source which so far you have failed to do. Quote: |
Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet You see what I wish to see is how is a Sherman or any other allied tank superior to the Tiger, King Tiger, or Panther. That is all I want to see. | Yep, that is what I am waiting to see as well.
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11-10-2006, 11:22 AM
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#165 | | Senior Member
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Country: | Excuse me for being thick, but I really do fail to see how showing us pictures of books about SP artillery, carriers, tractors, etc, is going to resolve a debate about Tiger tanks; I have lots of books about roses, aeroplanes, military insignia, and even a few Tom Clancys, but I'm not going to post a photo here, as I'm not sure that'd be frightfully useful.
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