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11-13-2006, 05:31 PM
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| The first centurion was nothing special, however the later versions were very potent machines.
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11-14-2006, 02:40 AM
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Country:  | For a tank that came in 1946 it was a pretty modern looking tank, the first MBT in IMO
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11-14-2006, 02:43 AM
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Country:  | The Centurion I was just a benchmark and wasn't even put into full production. It is a shame the six sent to the 22nd Armoured Brigade were a little too late, it certainly would have been a shock to the German armoured units.
Cross-Country the Centurion was supposed to match the Comet, I doubt it did because it was quite a bit heavier. Which became a problem in Korea because of the light bridges. I'm not surprised it couldn't match a Chaffee in cross-country...
It arrived in 1945, Hussars. It was just a little too late for the war.
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11-14-2006, 02:48 AM
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Country: | Details Details  The machine still proved itself, it served with distinction with the Israeli Army
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11-14-2006, 02:51 AM
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Country: | Well, being a year out isn't a MINOR detail, hussars. And I must point out the Centurion I didn't look like the picture you showed.
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11-14-2006, 09:09 AM
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Country: | That Cent is at least a Mk10 or so - it has the 105mm L7 gun used on later types, although it was retrofitted to earlier vehicles, bringing about a change in mark number. The very first Cent Mk1s had a 17Pdr with a co-axial 20mm cannon; the Mk3, which served in Korea with great distinction - proving by the way that it was able to reach points where tanks were supposedly unable to operate... - was the first service version to carry the 20Pdr gun. The fume extractor was introduced on the 20Pdr guns of the Mk5/2.
Incidentally, it's hardly useful to compare a light recce vehicle - the Chaffee - with a fully-fledged MBT.
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11-14-2006, 09:16 AM
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Country: | Just out of interest, these are Olifant Mk1Bs of the South African Army - there's a Centurion under there if you look very hard  ! Still in service.
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11-14-2006, 10:44 AM
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#218 | | Der Crewchief
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Country:  | Pretty cool.
There are still several nations that still use WW2 tanks. In Africa there are still nations using the Sherman. When I was in Kosovo several years ago we found some Shermans in a warehouse there with Serbian markings on them. They had just been upgraded.
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11-15-2006, 04:39 AM
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11-15-2006, 01:27 PM
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#220 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | Yeap and during the Iran Iraq war as well. I think the Iranians used them during that time as well. I am going to have to look at my pics from the Iranian bone yard in Iraq that I visited. I think there were Centurians (looks like the ones in the pic up there) in Iranian markings. Not sure though.
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11-15-2006, 02:37 PM
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Country: | Adler, according to my Jane's AFVs for 1987, Iraq had no Cents, unless they had reused captured Kuwaiti ones.
Iraq did have Chieftains, on the other hand, presumably captured from Iran.
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11-16-2006, 12:07 PM
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#222 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | I was talking about Iran not Iraq.
But yes you are correct they are Chieftains not Centurians.
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11-16-2006, 01:14 PM
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Country: | Iran didn't have Cents, either - but both had Chieftains - so at the end of a misunderstanding, we're both right! 
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11-16-2006, 01:24 PM
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#224 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | That is what I said: Quote: |
But yes you are correct they are Chieftains not Centurians.
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I have to find the pics of the Chieftains. Here are some pics of the boneyard though. It was an old Iraqi dump where they put in Iranian equipment that they captured in the Iran/Iraq War and then after we went into Iraq we started filling it with Iraqi equipment as well.
There were litterally hundreds of tanks and AFVs there as well as hundreds of artillary pieces.
It was pretty neat to go through it. We climbed into the tanks and everything and then went exploring some more. I pulled out an Iranian flag from a BMP and several BMP and T-55 manual (cant read a thing in them though). There also were several building just filled to the sealing with Iraqi Helmets and Gasmasks. Was pretty neat to go thought it all. Even though the room with the gasmasks scared me. There also were dozens of used anthropene injectors in the room as well. Kind of made me wonder...
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11-16-2006, 01:25 PM
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#225 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | I need to find the pics of the Chieftains though. It was actually a buddy of mine whos dad was a Canadian Tanker who pointed it out and said "Wow that is fricken Chieftain!"
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