Best/Favourate Tank in the west

Jackson · 03-08-2007, 10:32 PM

I guess they are not as knowlegable as you..

I mean how stupid of them ///
>showing a vehicle with the inscription M36b1! painted on it..

You call them up and tell them to fix it OK!!

lol

Jackson · 03-08-2007, 10:35 PM

I wonder how they got that Wolverine to look like a Sherman?

photoshopping at their age..

MY MY -tsk

Those WWII vets, always with the funny stuff..

Soren · 03-08-2007, 10:37 PM

Thank you Jackson, again you proved that its a M-36 Jackson, you even made it clear in bold letters.

Now lets see you disprove your own theory about the 90mm M1A1 armed Jumbo as-well, then we're back at where we're supposed to be

Jackson · 03-08-2007, 10:39 PM

Fort Hood 60th Anniversary

Jackson · 03-08-2007, 10:42 PM

I don't think so..

burn all your books and take up a new hobby is my best advice to you..

Jackson · 03-08-2007, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Soren

I repeat there was NO Sherman fitted with the 90mm M1A1 gun during WW2.

barf

Soren · 03-08-2007, 11:51 PM

Its not a Sherman, its a M-36 - if you haven't noticed it yet its actually got a different turret

Gnomey · 03-09-2007, 05:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Soren

Its not a Sherman, its a M-36 - if you haven't noticed it yet its actually got a different turret

Yep, I mean how stupid can you get... Everything he says proves everything to the contrary of what he is trying to say. I will also repeat what Soren has said there were no 90mm armed Sherman Jumbo's all had the 76mm gun. The M36 and the M26 Pershing had the 90mm not the Sherman (although it was fitted after the war to some - the Israeli's fitted a 105mm to it in the M51 Super Sherman.)

I must though it is funny trying to watch him prove that a tank with "M36B1" on the side of the turret is a Sherman Jumbo with a 90mm

Jackson · 03-09-2007, 07:53 AM

""The M36B1 was constructed by mating the 90mm M36 gun turret with the hull of the late-production M4A3 Sherman. Internal stowage was rearranged to accommodate the larger 90mm rounds.""

see link for definition of an M36B1 (90mm M4)

90mm GMC M36

Jackson · 03-09-2007, 07:55 AM

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=Soren;Sorry but the second picture is also a M-36 Jackson.

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I repeat there was NO Sherman fitted with the 90mm M1A1 gun during WW2.

This is obviously dis-proven..

http://www.tankdestroyersociety.com/images/M10_04.jpg

YES, there was an M4A3 with a 90MM

The M36B1 painted on the side of this vehicle says it all, as the M36B1 was a 90 mm Sherman essentially.

To wit M36B1= Sherman M4 mated to a 90mm gun

""The M36B1 was constructed by mating the 90mm M36 gun turret with the hull of the late-production M4A3 Sherman. Internal stowage was rearranged to accommodate the larger 90mm rounds.""

see link for definition of an M36B1

90mm GMC M36

As far as proving that that tank shown in the "Official WWII Tank Destroyers Society" 'vehicles' web page is a Jumbo. I absolutely made no representation of that. It is, however. the M4 based M36B1, a 90 mm Sherman, by definition.

At this point, I was only proving this quote is wrong..

wrong

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soren

I repeat there was NO Sherman fitted with the 90mm M1A1 gun during WW2.

(obviously wrong)

Anyone can see that is NOT a Jumbo, But it is an M4 based M36 tank destroyer- an M36B1, specifically..

How absolutely stupid can YOU get?

You both must go to the same eye doctor either that or you are purposely misrepresenting my comments in an obtuse manner.

dis-proven at this point:

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I repeat there was NO Sherman fitted with the 90mm M1A1 gun during WW2.

Do you guys even know what an M36B1 is?

90mm GMC M36

The M36B1 is an M4 with a 90 mm= (that is the definitinion of an M36B1)

//?

Simple question, what is an M36B1, then, if not a 90mm M4?

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 03-09-2007, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Jackson

I suppose I like the M4 Jumbo, because I have met few Germans who have even ever heard of it and it fun to pull their legs about it.

So that is why you keep saying arrogant and ignorant huh? What is your real agenda? Oh and by the way dont play those games with me. I am an American...

...I suggest your learn who is in this forum before you play games.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 03-09-2007, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Jackson

Geoff Walden took pictures of several Sherman-type vehicles in the Iraqi military base on Highway 1, about 10 miles north of Tikrit. This must have been another base than the one filmed by the CNN crew.
The M36B1 (top) was seen alongside the road, among several other vehicles that had been lined up to plug a gap in the perimeter fence. The M36 (bottom) was seen at a distance, off of Highway 1. Possibly these two vehicles were recently on the empty plinths that are at the base entrance nearby.

That is near Camp Speicher. I crewed Helicopters out of there for 14 months. I think maybe you are talking about the camp outside of Behji near Tikrit. Saw many of those in the bone yard near Tikrit. I have posted pictures of the boneyard here in another thread.

I also I would like to hear some factual information about how many 90mm equiped Shermans were in service on the West Front from you.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 03-09-2007, 09:15 AM

Jackson you have not earned the right to insult anyone in this forum with your 35 posts. You want to prove your point (which you are doing very lousy at by the way) that is fine but you will do it withouth insulting any member of this forum or call any member of this forum stupid or insult them as you have in several of your threads.

I am giving you your first warning now. I will only give only one. You got that!

Jackson · 03-09-2007, 09:59 AM

Originally posted by Soren

Quote:

I repeat there was NO Sherman fitted with the 90mm M1A1 gun during WW2.

definition of a M36B1:

The M36B1 was constructed by mating the 90mm M36 gun turret with the hull of the late-production M4A3 Sherman. Internal stowage was rearranged to accommodate the larger 90mm rounds

I have only posted on 4 threads..

This one- insults received/ returned
P80 (none)
25 K for a Me262 ride (none)
FW190 retrieved from sea bottom (none)

It is my understanding that approximately 343 (M36 90mm) conversion kits were shipped to the ETO, most were put on the M10 chassis. They are identified by the lack of a muzzle brake.

Some were put on the M4 (Sherman chassis), no particular number is offered by me, I would guess 10-25 percent of the 343 kits. 40-80..

This is a field modification, I doubt the records are available.

Much like Patton up armoring many of his tanks, as a field modification, to the "Jumbo" standard. This was done after he forbid the use of sand bags and lumber products as additional protection. I also doubt much is available as to specific numbers. Many EZ8's were generally up armoured.

However, I have read (and related) the story of a "Jumbo" based M36B1 having surprised Tigers.

I am not sure may factory M36B1's were shipped before the end of the war.. I speculate all in the ETO were field modifications, I have never seen a photo of an ETO M36B1 with the muzzle brake.

I stand by this.

And yes, as a youngster my I lived in Iran with my USAF fighter pilot father, who was an F-4 IP , so I have seen the Iranian M36's first hand also.

So...

and post count...If that is your standard..No comment, do as you please.

I notice M Kenny and a few others including Christian Ankerstjerne do not post here anymore either.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 03-09-2007, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Jackson

I have only posted on 4 threads..

This one- insults received/ returned
P80 (none)
25 K for a Me262 ride (none)
FW190 retrieved from sea bottom (none)

You started it you get it in return. You decided to continue with it, I gave you a warning. You dont like it, tough! I have given plenty of warning to these very same members you are instulting so dont start up with anything else about giving and taking.

They for the most part decided it was better to teach and learn in a respectful manner. If you wish to be respectful you will be fine here.

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Originally Posted by Jackson

So...

and post count...If that is your standard..No comment, do as you please.

No I was making a point that you dont come into a forum and throw your weight around like that. You can learn and teach with others in a respectful manner. I am sure you parents tought you respect and manners. For instance you dont throw the words around arrogant and ignorant when you dont know the person. Especially when you are assuming things that you really dont know.

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Originally Posted by Jackson

I notice M Kenny and a few others including Christian Ankerstjerne do not post here anymore either.

And no one told them to leave. They could not handle the fact that some people disagreed with them and they decided to not use respect and manners. No one told them to leave. They can stay here if they wish to be respectful.

This goes for anyone and everyone, not just you, so dont play the "Oh poor me, stop picking on me" as so many others before have.