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Old 07-21-2006, 01:18 PM   #46
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The JagdTiger was the tank destroyer version of the tiger, and it had thick armour, and a 120mm gun, but only 77 where built and it was extreamly slow
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Old 08-11-2006, 03:09 AM   #47
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Maybe I'm stupid, but I say Ju-87G and IL-2M these are my best Tank Destroyer of WWII
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Old 08-20-2006, 08:30 PM   #48
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They're not SPGs though, are they? And I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure the ground units acquired more actual armour kills than air forces.
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but I'm pretty sure the ground units acquired more actual armour kills than air forces.
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Those are easily confused Les....

You see it all the time on this forum.
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They're not SPGs though, are they? And I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure the ground units acquired more actual armour kills than air forces.
yes, they aren't... but I'm talking about tank destroyer and I wrote my simple preferences
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People of the Membership, I soberly beseech u to remember, THERE IS A FREAKIN DIFFERENCE BETWEEN FAVORITE AND BEST!!!
...it's so wrong to think that my "favorite" may be my "best"

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The JagdTiger was the tank destroyer version of the tiger, and it had thick armour, and a 120mm gun, but only 77 where built and it was extreamly slow

I have to agree with you there , i adore the Jagd Tiger , it looks fierce and had great firepower and armour , although suffering from many faults which meant most of the 35? used in action often got left in the street
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In my opinion the Germans had the best array of Tank Destroyers....Jadgpanzer, Elefant, Marder, Stumrgeschutz III, the list goes on. But I believe the best to be the Sturmgeschutz III, because a) it was very cheap to produce, b)its armament of 75mm StuK 40 and its 80mm armour were an effective combination. By the end of the war over 10, 500 had been produced.
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my Fave TD has got to be Jagd Tiger. Very few where built but it had a 128mm gun and massivly thick armour. Very, very slow and massive shape. I read somewhere about a Jagdtiger that had knoked out an entire regiment of Shermans, but was knoked out itself by a fighter-bomber
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A girl who's into WW2 Armour??

Even if it got left it could cause an unshiftable roadblock. Some were actually purposefully destroyed for this purpose. If you like the JagdTiger, you might like the SturmTiger too.

The Stug was also a brilliant TD, but getting a bit long in the tooth in '44. I think the JgPzIV(V) came along when it was needed.
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According to me that would have to be the JagdPz IV.

Although the JagdTiger must have been formidable, it was also extremely costly and not always that useful. Economics should be at least as important as technical qualities.

The JagdPz IV had both in check. It was very low - lower than the JagdPz 38(t), had very sloped armour - giving more frontal protection than a Tiger - and had a decent 75mm gun - first the L/48, later the L/70. Add to that it was reliable and had the chassis of the Pz IV so production wouldn't be hindered.

But what I like most about it is that it would have been able to replace the StuG III and IV. (Originally the JagdPz IV was also called a StuG.) As a TD it could then use the L/70 gun though that would make it a bit too heavy at the front but still good enough.

Later in the war (1945) on I would go for a combination of the cheap JagdPz 38D Hetzer (not to be confused with the JagdPz 38(t) which usually gets the Hetzer name) and the JagdPanther II (if it would have been developed again).
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Some fine designs of self-propelled guns in WWII were italians. English writers agree that english tank crews feared these weapons far more than italian tanks in the desert battles. But, as other good italian weapons of the war, they suffered for the scarce production numbers.

However, they are beautiful machines. Look here:

Semovente da 75/34
Comando Supremo: Semovente da 75/34

Semovente da 90/53
Comando Supremo: Semovente da 90/53

Semovente da 105/25
Comando Supremo: Semovente da 105/25

Semovente da 149/40 (prototype)
Comando Supremo: Semovente da 149/40
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Some pics of italian "Semoventi" tank destroyers.

1) M40 75/18
2) M41 90/53
3) M42 105/25 "Bassotto"
4) M43 149/40 (italian prototype, built by Germans after Italy's surrender)
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Hold it! Self-propelled guns are not Tank Destroyers. Only the 90/53 was designed to kill tanks but it was a SPAT not a TD.




Besides that ... I absolutely adore the Semoventi!

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