Best Tank Destroyer/ self-propelled gun - Aircraft of World War II

schwarzpanzer · 08-20-2005, 10:09 PM

What nationality does your chosen favourite belong to?

What is it and why do you like it?

For me, it's a toss-up between the SU-100 and JagdPanther, there's a knat's willy between them.

reddragon · 08-21-2005, 02:16 AM

Interesting question. I've never really thought about it, but I also like the JagdPanther a lot. The British Firefly also looks like an interesting weapon.

plan_D · 08-21-2005, 02:39 AM

I cannot state the greatest country for tank destroyers but the list of the greatest, in my opinion, are; Jagdpanther, M36 'Hellcat', Achilles OQF 17pdr, Archer OQF 17pdr, M36 'Jackson', SU-100, ISU-152, Elefant and StuK40 Ausf F/8.

Glider · 08-21-2005, 02:26 PM

Plan D thats a list, pick one.
For myself I go for the Achilles. It had speed, and a gun that could knock anything out, but lacked armour.
If you want armour then probably the best is the Jagdpanther but it lacked flexibility and was only good when defending at a distance. Once it had to move it and any other AT vehicle of that configeration was at a disadvantage. Possible exception being the Hetzer as it was so small.
The M18 Hellcat was very quick but only had the 76mm which would have been limiting in combat and the M36 had the power but a slow rate of fire.
Hence the Achilles as my choice. All comers feel free to disagree, all comments welcome.

Erich · 08-21-2005, 03:48 PM

Hetzer although a small cramped unit was quite succesful in spring of 45 with accomplished crews whom even knocked out Soviet JS I's with it's 7.5cm gun. If anything going for it in the defence role, it could move fast and was small enough to camouflage easily in the surroundings the crews were accustomed to

plan_D · 08-21-2005, 04:29 PM

If you have seen the amount of SPGs that served in WWII you would understand my list was picking the best of the bunch. There's no way of stating any of those I listed as being far superior to the other.

I did miss the Hetzer from my list, it was small but remarkable. A great asset to the Wehrmacht. Perfectly capable of knocking out most Western Allied and Soviet types.

Glider · 08-21-2005, 09:36 PM

I am aware of the variety of SPG's and mobile A/T guns in use, but I thought the idea was to pick the one you think is best and supply your thoughts.
We do the same on aircraft so why not these?

plan_D · 08-22-2005, 01:49 PM

Because there's really no way I could decide on the best tank destroyer and self-propelled gun. A SPG is an artillery piece. Most of them were howitzers on armoured chassis, which then really is based on how good the cannon is.

The one I think was the greatest, really, was the M18 'Hellcat' because it suffered less loss than any other tank destroyer in the war. It was a capable machine, well within the ability to destroy other tanks because it could out-manuvre them.

Dac · 09-17-2005, 05:55 PM

I'd go with the Jagdpanther. Like with aircraft when they look right they usually fly right, the Jagdpanther looks deadly. Its' got good frontal armor highly sloped. The long 88mm could take out any Allied AFV. It also had the mobility of the Panther, its a good thing they only built about 400 of them!

schwarzpanzer · 09-17-2005, 08:36 PM

You've made my mind up Dac, the SU100 it is; due to ease of build, better armour and the fact that it was probably the only thing that destroyed a King Tigers frontal armour.

plan_D · 09-18-2005, 07:21 AM

But it wasn't. Nothing ever did. Not one single piece of armour or artillery penertrated the King Tigers frontal armour during the war.

Dac · 09-18-2005, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by schwarzpanzer

You've made my mind up Dac, the SU100 it is; due to ease of build, better armour and the fact that it was probably the only thing that destroyed a King Tigers frontal armour.

Glad to help.

The SU100 is very good too. I think there are some upgraded models still in service in the middle-east.

schwarzpanzer · 09-20-2005, 10:22 AM

Yes Dac, I can believe it!

It did come late though,

but still caused havoc,

I'm sticking with it!

I think the JagdPanthers gearbox was far better than the standard one, but I can't remember examples of any (post AusfD) causing problems?

Quote:

But it wasn't. Nothing ever did. Not one single piece of armour or artillery penertrated the King Tigers frontal armour during the war.

Yes it did and I'll get the piccy when I find it.

BTW: That 17pdr went through the side.

P38 Pilot · 10-03-2005, 11:56 PM

I would go with either the Elefant or M10, The M-10 was also a pretty good tank destroyer.

plan_D · 10-06-2005, 09:53 PM

No you won't find the picture because there isn't one. The only pictures of a King Tiger's frontal armour being penertrated are from post-war tests. The King Tiger in question had been through battle, had many tests conducted on it then was blasted time and time again by an A-19 122mm cannon that eventually smashed it's way through a remarkably weakend Tiger II.

And P-38, at least choose the M-36 it was far superior to the M-10.

08-20-2005, 10:09 PM	#1
schwarzpanzer Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 580	Best Tank Destroyer/ self-propelled gun What nationality does your chosen favourite belong to? What is it and why do you like it? For me, it's a toss-up between the SU-100 and JagdPanther, there's a knat's willy between them. __________________ Like WW2 tanks? Then please visit the Panzer Front: http://p208.ezboard.com/bthepanzerfront

08-21-2005, 02:16 AM	#2
reddragon Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: The city on the edge of forever. Posts: 217	Interesting question. I've never really thought about it, but I also like the JagdPanther a lot. The British Firefly also looks like an interesting weapon. __________________ I want to be the kind of person my cat thinks I am.

08-21-2005, 02:39 AM	#3
plan_D Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 11,978	I cannot state the greatest country for tank destroyers but the list of the greatest, in my opinion, are; Jagdpanther, M36 'Hellcat', Achilles OQF 17pdr, Archer OQF 17pdr, M36 'Jackson', SU-100, ISU-152, Elefant and StuK40 Ausf F/8. __________________ "When you go home tomorrow, don't expect anyone to know what you have been through. Even if they did know, most people probably wouldn't care anyway. Some of you may get the medals you deserve, many more of you will not. But remember this, all of you are now members of the front-line club, and that is the most exclusive club in the world." - Lt. Col. Matthew Maer CO 1st Battalion, the Princess of Wale's Royal Regiment. Camp Abu Naji, Oct. 2004 To those in that club.

08-21-2005, 03:48 PM	#5
Erich the old Sage Join Date: May 2004 Location: Platonic Sphere Posts: 10,775	Hetzer although a small cramped unit was quite succesful in spring of 45 with accomplished crews whom even knocked out Soviet JS I's with it's 7.5cm gun. If anything going for it in the defence role, it could move fast and was small enough to camouflage easily in the surroundings the crews were accustomed to __________________ Rip it up !

08-21-2005, 04:29 PM	#6
plan_D Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 11,978	If you have seen the amount of SPGs that served in WWII you would understand my list was picking the best of the bunch. There's no way of stating any of those I listed as being far superior to the other. I did miss the Hetzer from my list, it was small but remarkable. A great asset to the Wehrmacht. Perfectly capable of knocking out most Western Allied and Soviet types. __________________ "When you go home tomorrow, don't expect anyone to know what you have been through. Even if they did know, most people probably wouldn't care anyway. Some of you may get the medals you deserve, many more of you will not. But remember this, all of you are now members of the front-line club, and that is the most exclusive club in the world." - Lt. Col. Matthew Maer CO 1st Battalion, the Princess of Wale's Royal Regiment. Camp Abu Naji, Oct. 2004 To those in that club.

08-21-2005, 02:26 PM	#4
Glider Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: London Posts: 3,655	Plan D thats a list, pick one. For myself I go for the Achilles. It had speed, and a gun that could knock anything out, but lacked armour. If you want armour then probably the best is the Jagdpanther but it lacked flexibility and was only good when defending at a distance. Once it had to move it and any other AT vehicle of that configeration was at a disadvantage. Possible exception being the Hetzer as it was so small. The M18 Hellcat was very quick but only had the 76mm which would have been limiting in combat and the M36 had the power but a slow rate of fire. Hence the Achilles as my choice. All comers feel free to disagree, all comments welcome.

08-21-2005, 09:36 PM	#7
Glider Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: London Posts: 3,655	I am aware of the variety of SPG's and mobile A/T guns in use, but I thought the idea was to pick the one you think is best and supply your thoughts. We do the same on aircraft so why not these?

08-22-2005, 01:49 PM	#8
plan_D Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 11,978	Because there's really no way I could decide on the best tank destroyer and self-propelled gun. A SPG is an artillery piece. Most of them were howitzers on armoured chassis, which then really is based on how good the cannon is. The one I think was the greatest, really, was the M18 'Hellcat' because it suffered less loss than any other tank destroyer in the war. It was a capable machine, well within the ability to destroy other tanks because it could out-manuvre them. __________________ "When you go home tomorrow, don't expect anyone to know what you have been through. Even if they did know, most people probably wouldn't care anyway. Some of you may get the medals you deserve, many more of you will not. But remember this, all of you are now members of the front-line club, and that is the most exclusive club in the world." - Lt. Col. Matthew Maer CO 1st Battalion, the Princess of Wale's Royal Regiment. Camp Abu Naji, Oct. 2004 To those in that club.

09-17-2005, 05:55 PM	#9
Dac Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: British Columbia Posts: 147	I'd go with the Jagdpanther. Like with aircraft when they look right they usually fly right, the Jagdpanther looks deadly. Its' got good frontal armor highly sloped. The long 88mm could take out any Allied AFV. It also had the mobility of the Panther, its a good thing they only built about 400 of them!

09-17-2005, 08:36 PM	#10
schwarzpanzer Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 580	You've made my mind up Dac, the SU100 it is; due to ease of build, better armour and the fact that it was probably the only thing that destroyed a King Tigers frontal armour. __________________ Like WW2 tanks? Then please visit the Panzer Front: http://p208.ezboard.com/bthepanzerfront

09-18-2005, 07:21 AM	#11
plan_D Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 11,978	But it wasn't. Nothing ever did. Not one single piece of armour or artillery penertrated the King Tigers frontal armour during the war. __________________ "When you go home tomorrow, don't expect anyone to know what you have been through. Even if they did know, most people probably wouldn't care anyway. Some of you may get the medals you deserve, many more of you will not. But remember this, all of you are now members of the front-line club, and that is the most exclusive club in the world." - Lt. Col. Matthew Maer CO 1st Battalion, the Princess of Wale's Royal Regiment. Camp Abu Naji, Oct. 2004 To those in that club.

10-03-2005, 11:56 PM	#14
P38 Pilot Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Auburn,Alabama; USA Posts: 1,822	I would go with either the Elefant or M10, The M-10 was also a pretty good tank destroyer. __________________ Its better to have an Army of deer being led by a lion, rather an Army of Lions being led by a deer...

10-06-2005, 09:53 PM	#15
plan_D Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 11,978	No you won't find the picture because there isn't one. The only pictures of a King Tiger's frontal armour being penertrated are from post-war tests. The King Tiger in question had been through battle, had many tests conducted on it then was blasted time and time again by an A-19 122mm cannon that eventually smashed it's way through a remarkably weakend Tiger II. And P-38, at least choose the M-36 it was far superior to the M-10. __________________ "When you go home tomorrow, don't expect anyone to know what you have been through. Even if they did know, most people probably wouldn't care anyway. Some of you may get the medals you deserve, many more of you will not. But remember this, all of you are now members of the front-line club, and that is the most exclusive club in the world." - Lt. Col. Matthew Maer CO 1st Battalion, the Princess of Wale's Royal Regiment. Camp Abu Naji, Oct. 2004 To those in that club.

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