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09-06-2006, 05:41 PM
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#196 | | Der Crewchief
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__________________  US Army Blackhawk Crewchief 2000-2006 Classic ww2aircraft.net quotes: fly boy said: "isn't that the first jet bomber? becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles" "wait what ok who made the b-2 crash come on people that messed up its a b-2" "ah yes the mistel those things are so annoying is games and in real life" | 
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09-06-2006, 07:45 PM
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Country:  | The Yamato is the one that looks the worst of the three, the Bismarck, Hood and Yamato. She got the worst of them all. It is a shame that she is in so many pieces and not like the Bismarck.
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09-06-2006, 09:17 PM
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| One of her magazines exploded.
It was a titanic explosion that was seen from dozens of miles away.
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09-07-2006, 10:15 AM
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#199 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | I am going to start a new thread on wrecks. That stuff really interests me.
__________________ US Army Blackhawk Crewchief 2000-2006 Classic ww2aircraft.net quotes: fly boy said: "isn't that the first jet bomber? becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles" "wait what ok who made the b-2 crash come on people that messed up its a b-2" "ah yes the mistel those things are so annoying is games and in real life" | |
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09-07-2006, 04:58 PM
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| Heres a couple of pictures of the Yamato blowing up.
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09-07-2006, 06:39 PM
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Country:  | You can see why it was in bits on the bottom of the sea. There were a couple of Battleships who went up like that in the war, the Hood being one, another being the Barham in the med.
Some pics of the Barham:   
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09-07-2006, 08:24 PM
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| I think there is a video of that BB blowing up.
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09-08-2006, 08:39 AM
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09-08-2006, 11:56 AM
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#204 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | Cool thanks for the video and pics guys.
__________________ US Army Blackhawk Crewchief 2000-2006 Classic ww2aircraft.net quotes: fly boy said: "isn't that the first jet bomber? becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles" "wait what ok who made the b-2 crash come on people that messed up its a b-2" "ah yes the mistel those things are so annoying is games and in real life" | |
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09-09-2006, 11:43 AM
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Country:  | It's amazing anybody got out of those ships. The Barnham lost 800, Yamato I think was in the range of 2k and everybody but 3 (something like 1500) went down on the Hood.
Considering the violence of the explosions, especially the Yamato, survivial seems to be more a factor of happenstance. | |
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09-10-2006, 10:17 AM
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#206 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | I agree, it truely is amazing.
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12-26-2006, 02:58 PM
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Country: | Force multipliers
it's difficult to decide on the best without considering relevant force multipliers.
Japanese night fighting techniques and long lance torpedos were far superior in the PTO. American patrol boats and destroyers were hamstrung by criminally inferior torpedos. The US Navy had unparelleled damage control. The Germans and Brits had some great long range eyes in the sky.
It doesnt matter how "good": a ship is if it is engaged at night and the crew is not trained in night fighting and has worthless torpedos. | |
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12-26-2006, 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by franklinj  it's difficult to decide on the best without considering relevant force multipliers.
Japanese night fighting techniques and long lance torpedos were far superior in the PTO. American patrol boats and destroyers were hamstrung by criminally inferior torpedos. The US Navy had unparelleled damage control. The Germans and Brits had some great long range eyes in the sky.
It doesnt matter how "good": a ship is if it is engaged at night and the crew is not trained in night fighting and has worthless torpedos. | Franklin
Can I suggest that you think it through and make some choices. For instance the Long Lance was an exceptional torpedo and the Japs were very well trained in night fighting. No one will disagree with that. However, they had poor radar which to a degree makes up the difference and the allies had gained experience as the war went on.
So make a selection and explain the assumptions you based it on then the debate can continue. | |
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01-31-2007, 06:48 PM
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Country: | The Musashi fired her main battery at aircraft before she was sunk. The Yamato fired her main battery at the Battle of Leyte Gulf. The Japanese gunnery left a lot to be desired at Leyte Gulf. The strong point of the IJN in WW2 was night fighting and torpedos. I believe the Iowa class would have been more than a match for for the Yamatos. | |
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01-31-2007, 06:51 PM
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Country: | Interestingly the Barham was not sunk by enemy ship or aircraft action but by Italian frogmen. | |
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