Best World war two warships?

[Glider]

Originally Posted by syscom3

One advantage the wooden deck had over the armoured box type, was it was easier to build.

An important factor when you have to build many dozens of carriers quickly.

And harder to repair. Most armoured decks when hit dented which were fixed simply with quick drying cement. Light, easy to apply, almost self leveling and very effective.

With wooden decks you had a whacking great hole to sort out.

[Glider]

And I forgot cheap, the bean counters must have loved that

[Captn javy Wilson]

1.) Battleship

Yamato Class (Musashi)

2.) Battlecruiser

Alaska Class

3.) Heavy cruiser/Armored cruiser

Baltimore Class

4.) Light cruiser

Cleveland class (Detroit)

5.) Destroyer

Fletcher (Sands)

6.) Submarine

Nautilus

7.) Patrol Boat or MBT

hmmmm.... have to think about that

8.) Aircraft Carrier

Essex Class.
Although personally I like the Lexington

[lesofprimus]

What exactly is Unfrogiven????

[trackend]

A SEAL without a wet suit Les ?

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Originally Posted by Captn javy Wilson

6.) Submarine

Nautilus

You wanna compare her to the Type XXI?

[Gnomey]

Nautilus in WW2? If you mean the Nuclear one that was some years after WW2...

Originally Posted by lesofprimus

What exactly is Unfrogiven????

Originally Posted by trackend

A SEAL without a wet suit Les ?

No idea but I doubt he will be here long...

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

There was a Nautilus that served in WW2. She was actually Pre WW2 though having been laid down in 1927 and had to be modernized in 1941.

I think that the German Type VII and IX and especially the Type XXI were better than the Nautilus Class. Hell the US had better boats with the GATO Class than the Nautilus.

For comparison:

SS-168 USS Nautilus

Laid down: 10 May 1927
Launched: 15 March 1930
Commissioned: 1 July 1930
Decommissioned 30 June 1946
Fate: sold for scrap
General characteristics
Displacement: 2730 tons surfaced, 4050 tons submerged
Length: 349 ft (106.4 m) waterline, 371 ft (113 m) overall
Beam: 33 ft 3 in (10.1 m)
Draft: 15 ft 9 in (4.8 m)
Speed: 17 knots (31 km/h) surfaced, 8 knots (15 km/h) submerged
Complement: 88 officers and men
Propulsion: four 1350 hp (1MW) M.A.N. diesels; two 1270 hp (950 kW) Westinghouse electric motors (240-cell Exide batteries)
Armament: 6 × 21 in (533 mm) torpedo tubes (four forward, two aft; 24 torpedoes, 8 external); two 6-inch (152 mm)/53 cal guns; two 0.30 in (7.62 mm) machineguns

Type XXI

First Submarine designed to operate completely under water

Displacement: 1621 t/1819 t, 2100 t full load
Length: 76.7m (251ft 7.7in) overall, 60.5m (198ft 5.9in) pressure hull
Beam: 5.3m (17ft 4.7in) pressure hull, 8m (26ft 3in) overall
Draft: 6.3m (20ft 8in)
Height: 11.3m (37ft)
Propulsion: 4000 hp (3 MW)
Speed: surfaced = 15.6 kt (29 km/h), 4400 hp (3.3 MW) submerged = 17.2 kt (32 km/h)
Range: 15,500nm at 10 kt (28,675 km at 19 km/h) surfaced, 340 miles at 5 kt (630 km at 9 km/h) submerged
Crew: 57

Below are pics of the Nautilus and a Type XXI.

[Gnomey]

Cheers still is no contest between the two in my opinion - the XXI takes it.

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

I agree. The Type XXI was the first "modern" submarine.

[T4.H]

You can also say:

The XXI class was the first submarine-class of the world.

All "submarins" (Unterseeboote) befor were "only" surface ships, which could also dive.
They were "diving boats" (Tauchboote).


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Glider
06-03-2007, 02:31 PM
As to the old questionthe armoured flight deck is best. I don't know where you got your info about the Formidable being permanently maimed from one hit on the flight deck. As far as I am aware she was hit by two 2000lb bombs in the Med and survived plus a number of kamikaze hits in the pacific. She was seriously damaged when a sliver of the armoured flight deck penetrated the boiler rooms, but thats a lot better than a bomb penetrating the boiler rooms.
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You are right!
I think, I misunderstood my source.

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Glider
06-07-2007, 09:54 PM
And harder to repair. Most armoured decks when hit dented which were fixed simply with quick drying cement. Light, easy to apply, almost self leveling and very effective.

With wooden decks you had a whacking great hole to sort out.
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As I know, wooden decks were easy to repair.
They were build with bars.
Put out the destroyed ones, put in new ones.

[Glider]

Originally Posted by T4.H

You can also say:

Glider
06-07-2007, 09:54 PM
And harder to repair. Most armoured decks when hit dented which were fixed simply with quick drying cement. Light, easy to apply, almost self leveling and very effective.

With wooden decks you had a whacking great hole to sort out.
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As I know, wooden decks were easy to repair.
They were build with bars.
Put out the destroyed ones, put in new ones.

True but with space being at a premium on board ship where do you store the large quantities of wood to repair the deck at sea?

Cement is much easier

[renrich]

The Nautilus and her sister ship Narwhal were large and unwieldy subs that were only used for special duty like landing troops or carrying supplies. They were not very effective in sinking the Japanese merchant marine like the fleet boats were.

[Lucky13]

Could this have been the best destroyer class of WWII? Anyone that knows what USS Charles Ausburne's claim to fame is?

[T4.H]

Hmm...

I would say: shimakaze class...
But only one was build...
So the shimakaze class is no class, only one ship.

Long Lancers
Shimakaze Class