The British are selfish for leaving the French at Dunkirk

[redcoat]

Originally Posted by Emac44

Fact is i proved my case.

Not even close.
There are 574.046 marked Commonwealth war graves in France. The French are only talking about moving 64 of them.

. Building a bloody airport over War Graves is not done

You really need to get out more.
In my home town of Stockport about 20 years back they moved a graveyard that was in the way of a new motorway, including a couple of WW1 war graves

[ndicki]

Can't stand most Frogs. I'm surrounded by them.

Anybody got a university professorship in English Civ going for someone who has no intention of actually doing anything?

[Kiwikid]

Were the Brits selfish for going to France in the first place to help the French too?

This is screwy logic...

[Vassili Zaitzev]

The French officer needs to reliase that the English army was pale in numbers to the french army, so why is he getting PO'd

[mkloby]

Originally Posted by Emac44

Just because you don't read the news in Stockport USA doesn't mean we don't in other countries now get with it. Also in your own country redcoat is is true or not that protestors have been showing up at the funerals of servicemen and women killed in action in Iraq and Afghanistan.

I was referring to this comment - back when redcoat was an American.

[Emac44]

Originally Posted by redcoat

Not even close.
There are 574.046 marked Commonwealth war graves in France. The French are only talking about moving 64 of them.


You really need to get out more.
In my home town of Stockport about 20 years back they moved a graveyard that was in the way of a new motorway, including a couple of WW1 war graves

Considering that not just 64 Australian Soldiers remains were to be removed it was 14,000 grave sites of British Soldiers to be removed and the French Govt had not informed any other Government including British Australian New Zealand or Canadain about the removal of so many remains of Deceased World War One Soldiers. This is far more than a few Graves moved in Stockport UK. And in the removal of such graves redcoat all these graves would have to be catalogued all Brass burial plates and stone work would have to be removed and replaced precisely as when they were removed All relatives of those inturned in the cemetry would have to be notified. None of which the French Govt would have done if they were not found out in the first place and exposed for what they are. As a matter of fact the airport boundary was to be bordered by a mass grave site of French and German War dead but this was to be untouched. Strange how at the time the French Govt was in a verbal slanging match with other Goevernments at the time over Iraq. 2 of those countries being England and Australia. Its not me who needs to get out more its yourself who needs to get his own head out of his own nether regions and realise that France isn't your buddy buddy when it comes to politics in the EU countries. As a matter of interest redcoat the Turkish Govt informed the Governments of Australia and New Zealand when a new road development was to occur in the Gallipoli region of Turkey. Turkey went to get lengths to accomodate with the Australian and New Zealand govts to ensure that the least possible disturbances of Grave Sites would occur. If France had done something similar my ignorant friend there would not have been such an uproar as there was. but France did not.; It appears to me you are in this site for enjoyment of the site. I am too but it also appears to me that the remains and Grave Sites of Soldiers Airmen and Sailors you hold in low essteem and thats a pity because you seem not to care about your own nations sacrifice as long as you keep the French happy

[Emac44]

Originally Posted by mkloby

I was referring to this comment - back when redcoat was an American.

I appologise for that

[Emac44]

Originally Posted by ndicki

Can't stand most Frogs. I'm surrounded by them.

Anybody got a university professorship in English Civ going for someone who has no intention of actually doing anything?

Nor can I and have a long memory when the French Govt decided to explode and test atomic weapons in the Pacific Region some years ago despite all protests from Pacific Island Nations including Australia and New Zealand and when French secret service agents were sent to sink in Auchland Harbour New Zealand the peace vessel for Green Peace Rainbow Warrior. And 2 innocent men of Rainbow Warrior were murdered by these French Secret Service Agents in the explosion on the Rainbow Warrior. On return after these secret service agents from prisons in New Zealand the French Govt awarded to these scum medals for bravery. How absolutely charming of France to do that. Attack a peace vessel in a nuetral harbour and kill innocent people just to test atomic weapons in the Pacific. So its not the British who are selfish but its sheer French arrogance since Dunkirk and up to the present date as far as I am concerned, and still I have shown to redcoat this and still he thinks France is his friend

[redcoat]

Originally Posted by Emac44

And in the removal of such graves redcoat all these graves would have to be catalogued all Brass burial plates and stone work would have to be removed and replaced precisely as when they were removed All relatives of those inturned in the cemetry would have to be notified. None of which the French Govt would have done if they were not found out in the first place and exposed for what they are.

You really do hate the French don't you
Prey tell how you know what the French would have done, or not done. Do you have a crystal ball by any chance

[ndicki]

Originally Posted by Emac44

Nor can I and have a long memory when the French Govt decided to explode and test atomic weapons in the Pacific Region some years ago despite all protests from Pacific Island Nations including Australia and New Zealand and when French secret service agents were sent to sink in Auchland Harbour New Zealand the peace vessel for Green Peace Rainbow Warrior. And 2 innocent men of Rainbow Warrior were murdered by these French Secret Service Agents in the explosion on the Rainbow Warrior. On return after these secret service agents from prisons in New Zealand the French Govt awarded to these scum medals for bravery. How absolutely charming of France to do that. Attack a peace vessel in a nuetral harbour and kill innocent people just to test atomic weapons in the Pacific. So its not the British who are selfish but its sheer French arrogance since Dunkirk and up to the present date as far as I am concerned, and still I have shown to redcoat this and still he thinks France is his friend

They showed a TV film of that episode the other night - I was torn between smashing the TV, and being violently sick. The "Turenges" were of course portrayed as gallant French Officers doing their duty, etc.

At a time when we are all supposed to be getting tough on state-sponsored terrorism, it's a pity no-one is pointing at the French, because they bloody well should be. The day Anglo-Americano-Aussie-Polish-Long-List Of Friends forces want to invade this dump, give me a ring first. I'll see what I can do to help! (PS And then the Aussies could continue to use the name Champagne! Good on yer!)

And 10/10 to the Kiwis, who LET THE BASTARDS GO instead of keeping them in jug for the rest of their naturals. Clever, lads, whatever gutless threats the Frogs may have made. Or whatever lies they may have told you.

[FLYBOYJ]

Originally Posted by redcoat

You really do hate the French don't you
Prey tell how you know what the French would have done, or not done. Do you have a crystal ball by any chance

Well based on their actions, especially during WW2, their renouned arrogance, I'd rely on them as much a a screen door on a submarine...

[ndicki]

Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ

Well based on their actions, especially during WW2, their renouned arrogance, I'd rely on them as much a a screen door on a submarine...

I second that, and I live there, so I think I can have a valid opinion. Just when you think it's going to work, they let you down. As people and as a nation.

[Emac44]

Originally Posted by redcoat

You really do hate the French don't you
Prey tell how you know what the French would have done, or not done. Do you have a crystal ball by any chance

I don't hate any one but i do despise hypocracy. i despise a Nation that claims to be an ally then when there is money to be made turns around and sinks their so called allies. Another example being during the Falklands War where France sent technicians to Argentina to help that nation with its missle guidance and arming systems when Argentina was having problems with unexploded ordinance. British Sailors Marines and Soldiers paid with their lives over that. And France was suppose to be an ally in NATO treaty accords with England. But when France could see there was money to be made they sent their technicians over to help Argentina. To me that money is blood money. Because British servicemen paid the price in their own blood for France to sit smugly and say oh look we made a few dollars or francs out of that deal. Yeah some ally France is. So next time you say to me about not getting out much, I suggest to you go over to France next week go to those Commonwealth War Graves Commission sites on the 11th November at 11 am and when the Military Band bugler begins playing the Last Post and you stand their looking at some ones grave say at Albert or at Amiens. Say for example some British Tommy who joined one of the mates battlions killed on French soil for the liberty of France during WW1. Remember what that man died for and why. And why some of his other mates not far away who were also killed the French wanted to dig up their graves to build a bloody airport over their final resting place and not tell any one what they were doing. Hope you can stand listening to the Last Post and Reville after that. Because if i had your attitude it doesn't bloody matter any more then i would be ashamed of myself. but seeing i don't have an attitude similar to yours i despise a country that does more double dealing and betraying its allies when the price is right or when it suits them to do so or wants to dig up the bodies of men who died for that country's liberty and build a bloody airport over the memory of fallen soldiers. As a matter of fact since 1973 I have been getting about visiting cemetries for the Fallen Australian soldiers in such places as Thailand Malaysia Singapore Papua New Guinea and Indonesia. as well as Australia. And took active part up until 1994 prior to when my own father passed away ANZAC Day parades as I marched in my father's place as due to ill health he couldn't. In 2015 on the 25th April of that year i plan to be at the dawn service at Gallipoli in Turkey for the ceremony on that morning to treasure the memory of an other relative of mine who was killed in action in the Gallipoli campaign. Because i know i will be able to go there as i know the Turks who show honour and respect to their former foes will not dig up my relatives body to put a bloody airport over his final resting place. I also plan to go to France and Belgium to see the War Memorials to ANZAC in those countries hopefuly by that time they may be there unless the French have torn them down to build shopping malls over them or airports runways. Maybe you should go and listen to the Last Post and realize what sacrifice those men of England and the Commonwealth paid for France. Hope you can listen to it and after all that sitll think the French are honourable. You yourself need to get out more

[redcoat]

Originally Posted by Emac44

I don't hate any one but i do despise hypocracy. i despise a Nation that claims to be an ally then when there is money to be made turns around and sinks their so called allies.

The best modern example of this is Suez in 1956

Another example being during the Falklands War where France sent technicians to Argentina to help that nation with its missle guidance and arming systems when Argentina was having problems with unexploded ordinance. British Sailors Marines and Soldiers paid with their lives over that. And France was suppose to be an ally in NATO treaty accords with England.
But when France could see there was money to be made they sent their technicians over to help Argentina. To me that money is blood money.

Sorry but thats not true again.
France recalled the technicians as soon as the Argentines invaded the Falklands, they also backed Britains plea for sanctions against Argentina in the EEC and supported Britains efforts in the UN.

The French were quicker to back Britain than the US was.

The French are not my most favourite people by any means, but I cannot stand by while someone insults them with base lies

[ndicki]

Arrant boll*cks! France theoretically recalled the technicians - in reality, they did not leave until they had finished installing the weapons systems into the Etendards.

They also sold Exocets to Libya - who sold them on to Argentina, with France's full knowledge.