Could America have won against the rest of the world?

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

A British, German and Italian fleet would have been eneogh to deal with a US Fleet atleast in the beginning.

All the British Carriers, BB's combined with the German BB's, BC's and the U-Boots...

Again though I seriously doubt something like this would have ever happened.

[syscom3]

Would this invasion begin in 1939 or1940?

[102first_hussars]

I think after seeing what happened against Russia, we would have seen a stalemate, or possibly no invasion attempt

Besides, it would have been pretty difficult to Invade North America from across the Atlantic

The Japanese had a better chance from the Pacific, and they ultimately would have failed too

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Originally Posted by 102first_hussars

Besides, it would have been pretty difficult to Invade North America from across the Atlantic

You are 100 percent correct. I dont necessarily think the US could hvae beaten a UK and Germany alliance but it would have certainly turned into a stalemate because there was no way that they could invade the US and I really dont think that the US could have invaded Europe either across the Atlantic. Sure they had the right kind of boats and landing craft but they could not have bombed them before hand and it would have been a slaughter on the beaches.

[Lucky13]

This is a very odd thread.... It'll be interesting to see where it goes. Beer and popcorn anyone?

[Soren]

Like Adler pointed out this is a very unrealistic scenario indeed, however I'll play along.

Th answer to the question is a no-brainer, the US fails miserably.

Here's what the US would be up against:

The largest & most advanced U-boat fleet in the world.
The best trained & best equipped soldiers in the world.
The best tanks & AFV's in the world.
Combined the best airforce in the world.
A larger and atleast as well equipped surface Navy.

The US would be fighting an already lost war.

[FLYBOYJ]

I'll play too...

In this scenrio who gets the Atomic bomb first - Germany or the US?

[Hunter368]

Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ

I'll play too...

In this scenrio who gets the Atomic bomb first - Germany or the US?

Whoever is alive last.

[mkloby]

Maybe I'm not understanding this fictitious scenario - but why would the RN be fighting against the US? I'm baffled. As far as the KM, USSR, and Regia - the US would crush all three combined EASILY if this scenario took place in the early 40's. US naval aviation had the the Lex, Saratoga, Ranger, Yorktown, and Enterprise all in service before 1940! These ships combined carried far more A/C than the fleet carriers that the RN even had in service prior to 1940. RN aside - the US fleet would pound a combined German, Italian, Soviet, and captured french units into nothing. There's no possible way any invasion could be sustained. The ONLY thing going for that fleet would be it's undersea arm... which a few years of experience with would have made impotent, just as the Germany's U-boat ultimately was (after it's spurts of success).

[Hunter368]

It was a thread made to show how Syscom's other thread is just as dumb and impossable to prove.

It was made in jest towards Syscom.

Seems others then just me get frustrated with Syscom's red,white and blue flag waving, it is made even worse when he asks you to prove him wrong when all the factors are unknown thus it is impossable to prove anything.

But it is in the same breath impossable for him to prove.....funny how he would not comment on my posts on the other thread. B/c he knows I am right.....conveniently he never responded to my post.

He knew when he made the thread it was impossable to prove him wrong.....but at the same time it is impossable for him to prove himself right. Funny how he dodges that issue.

[pbfoot]

In my world the first thing the US would have to do is take both the East and West coasts of Canada to prevent the Allies from gaining a greater footprint in North America now after saying this in 1939 this would have been a fairly tough task . The reason being is the vast distances to move men and the lack of equipment the US military had . Allies in 3 years just because I believe the US was behind in the technology curve with their equipment

[Soren]

Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ

I'll play too...

In this scenrio who gets the Atomic bomb first - Germany or the US?

In this scenario Germany/Europe would, and much earlier.

If Germany and the rest of Europa were going to get along with each other then there'd be no prosecution of jews, which means an A-bomb for the Germans.

Don't forget how quickly the USSR got the bomb after WWII..

[renrich]

The scenario I would see if England had capitulated to the Nazis in 1940 is that many of the Commonwealth countries would have opted out including Australia, NZ, SA and Canada. The RN would have scuttled most of the major units ( as the High Seas Fleet did in 191 or more likely would have steamed into US ports. The anti semitism of the Nazis had already started well before 1939 and would not have been curbed so no joy there. No invasion of the western hemisphere would have taken place. A shaky peace between the US and whatever you want to call the Europe thing. Possibly the use of the nuclear option by the US if peace was not maintained.

[syscom3]

Originally Posted by pbfoot

In my world the first thing the US would have to do is take both the East and West coasts of Canada to prevent the Allies from gaining a greater footprint in North America now after saying this in 1939 this would have been a fairly tough task . The reason being is the vast distances to move men and the lack of equipment the US military had . Allies in 3 years just because I believe the US was behind in the technology curve with their equipment

I dont think that was necessary. Canada would not have joined a European alliance period. It would be one thing for a Canadian to go and fight against a foe of the UK if it was a traditional enemy. But to back a German and Russian dominated fascist alliance? No way.

In addition, the coastlines of both sides of Canada are hardly conducive to invasion or conversion to staging area's. Poor weather is the norm, and vast forests have to be penetrated before you come up to population and industrial area's.

I would say if a UK/German/Russian alliance was formed in 1940, then nothing could have been done till 1941.

At this time, the USN was in better shape material wise as compared to the 30's. The US army and air corps would have begun a buildup several months sooner than as what actually happened, with the result being the ground forces being in far better shape in summer 1941.

As for the Japanese? They still could run amok throughout the western pacific, but nothing else. They didnt have the shipping to support an invasion of Hawaii, let alone the mainland of North America.

As for the axis alliance staging through the south? Forget it. The US would have preememptively seized the islands and airbases needed.

[syscom3]

Originally Posted by Hunter368

It was a thread made to show how Syscom's other thread is just as dumb and impossable to prove.

If you dont like a thread, dont add to it.

Seems others then just me get frustrated with Syscom's red,white and blue flag waving, it is made even worse when he asks you to prove him wrong when all the factors are unknown thus it is impossable to prove anything.

The actual production figures from WW2 proved that the commonwealth did not have the manpower or industrial capacity to defeat the Germans. I proved my point quite well with facts. You truied to prove your point by emotion.

But it is in the same breath impossable for him to prove.....funny how he would not comment on my posts on the other thread. B/c he knows I am right.....conveniently he never responded to my post.

When you look at the whole production figures from all the combatants, one thing is plainly noticable.... Canada's material contributions were quite few. Even manpower wise, theres only so many people you can supply from a population of 11 million.

He knew when he made the thread it was impossable to prove him wrong.....but at the same time it is impossable for him to prove himself right. Funny how he dodges that issue.

I'm still waiting for you to show me where the commonweath would have enough industrial capacity to equip an army large enough to take on the Germans.