The Dieppe Raid (Operation Jubilee) - Aircraft of World War II

Tiger · 04-19-2006, 01:37 PM

This is based on a question I asked on another forum.

What lessons and advances were gained from the raid? Were they a big factor in the success of D-day?

elmilitaro · 04-19-2006, 02:26 PM

Well, I think the Allies learned to have better precision in their bombing raids on shore instillations and to have a longer naval bombardment. There are some more back I can't remember them right away.

MacArther · 04-19-2006, 06:30 PM

It taught the Western Allies that they needed a dual-purpose gun, not simply one that fired AP rounds exclusively. The Churchills that made it ashore were not of much help because most of the targets were bunkers, and other such targets which could only be effectively attacked with HE rounds. The need for a dual purpose gun eventually lead to the up-gunning of Western Allies' tanks (though not enough for the most part).

pbfoot · 04-19-2006, 10:34 PM

they did not have any bombardment except for destroyers the Royal Navy did not wish to risk their heavier ships nor was their any appreciable air bombardment they also learned to attack beaches from which armor would not get stranded on
here is a link with videos both allied and axis on the raid
http://www.collectionscanada.ca/dieppe/053402_e.html

Tiger · 04-20-2006, 12:11 PM

Do you think greater air support during the raid could have made up for the lack of navy fire power?

MacArther · 04-20-2006, 02:29 PM

Not really, unless the Brits assigned close support air craft to follow the raider's every move. As I mentioned earlier, many of the targets encountered were best dealt with by tanks using HE rounds.

plan_D · 04-21-2006, 11:18 AM

It taught the Allies that capturing an intact port was an impossibility, and landing near a port to attempt such a feat would be suicidal. This led to the construction of Mulberry that the Allies dragged across the Channel with them during Operation Overlord.

Everything that could go wrong at Dieppe did go wrong, and everything that went wrong was a lesson.

Andrew · 04-21-2006, 11:30 AM

It taught the Allies that to attack anywhere on the Atlantic Wall, you needed special equipment to do the job. ie: Hobarts Funnies.

Twitch · 04-21-2006, 01:46 PM

A lesson for the Germans may have been that the Allies WERE going to invade sooner or later. I think it shook some Germans out of their complacent idea that the status quo would be German dominance without challenge.

Vassili Zaitzev · 04-25-2006, 11:47 AM

it taught that landing in front of a defended port is bad, lack of navy support, and inaccurate air attacks are not the way to go for a landing.

04-19-2006, 01:37 PM	#1
Tiger Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 472	The Dieppe Raid (Operation Jubilee) This is based on a question I asked on another forum. What lessons and advances were gained from the raid? Were they a big factor in the success of D-day? __________________

04-19-2006, 02:26 PM	#2
elmilitaro Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 405	Well, I think the Allies learned to have better precision in their bombing raids on shore instillations and to have a longer naval bombardment. There are some more back I can't remember them right away. __________________ "And when he gets to heaven, To Saint Peter he will tell; One more marine reporting, sir- I've served my time in hell." A marine gravemarker on guadalcanal

04-19-2006, 06:30 PM	#3
MacArther Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 876	It taught the Western Allies that they needed a dual-purpose gun, not simply one that fired AP rounds exclusively. The Churchills that made it ashore were not of much help because most of the targets were bunkers, and other such targets which could only be effectively attacked with HE rounds. The need for a dual purpose gun eventually lead to the up-gunning of Western Allies' tanks (though not enough for the most part). __________________ http://www.fictionpress.com/u/478009/ Hillary 2012: The world has to end sometime!

04-20-2006, 02:29 PM	#6
MacArther Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 876	Not really, unless the Brits assigned close support air craft to follow the raider's every move. As I mentioned earlier, many of the targets encountered were best dealt with by tanks using HE rounds. __________________ http://www.fictionpress.com/u/478009/ Hillary 2012: The world has to end sometime!

04-21-2006, 11:18 AM	#7
plan_D Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 11,978	It taught the Allies that capturing an intact port was an impossibility, and landing near a port to attempt such a feat would be suicidal. This led to the construction of Mulberry that the Allies dragged across the Channel with them during Operation Overlord. Everything that could go wrong at Dieppe did go wrong, and everything that went wrong was a lesson. __________________ "When you go home tomorrow, don't expect anyone to know what you have been through. Even if they did know, most people probably wouldn't care anyway. Some of you may get the medals you deserve, many more of you will not. But remember this, all of you are now members of the front-line club, and that is the most exclusive club in the world." - Lt. Col. Matthew Maer CO 1st Battalion, the Princess of Wale's Royal Regiment. Camp Abu Naji, Oct. 2004 To those in that club.

04-19-2006, 10:34 PM	#4
pbfoot Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: niagara falls Posts: 5,588	they did not have any bombardment except for destroyers the Royal Navy did not wish to risk their heavier ships nor was their any appreciable air bombardment they also learned to attack beaches from which armor would not get stranded on here is a link with videos both allied and axis on the raid http://www.collectionscanada.ca/dieppe/053402_e.html

04-20-2006, 12:11 PM	#5
Tiger Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 472	Do you think greater air support during the raid could have made up for the lack of navy fire power?

04-21-2006, 11:30 AM	#8
Andrew Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Slough Posts: 113	It taught the Allies that to attack anywhere on the Atlantic Wall, you needed special equipment to do the job. ie: Hobarts Funnies. __________________ Short Back & Sides Please

04-21-2006, 01:46 PM	#9
Twitch Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: City of the Angels California Posts: 809	A lesson for the Germans may have been that the Allies WERE going to invade sooner or later. I think it shook some Germans out of their complacent idea that the status quo would be German dominance without challenge. __________________

04-25-2006, 11:47 AM	#10
Vassili Zaitzev Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Stafford Springs, Connecticut Posts: 2,221	it taught that landing in front of a defended port is bad, lack of navy support, and inaccurate air attacks are not the way to go for a landing.

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