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10-09-2005, 06:57 PM
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#16 | | Der Crewchief
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Country:  | Well from that list I go with PPsH-41 also.
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10-09-2005, 08:55 PM
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#17 | | Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Adelaide
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Country:  | My favourite is not on the list, it's the owen gun. Made in Australia and designed especially for combat in the jungles of New Guinea for the Aussie Diggers, the owen proved to be robust and very, very reliable. Apparently they jammed very rarely and was a favourite weapon of choice for our soldiers. Saw service from WWII upto Vietnam.
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10-09-2005, 10:12 PM
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#18 | | Forum Politruk
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Country:  | A fine weapon no doubt, but on appearances, it makes even the PPS43 look like a custom built Purdey fowling piece.
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10-09-2005, 10:26 PM
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#19 | | He who does not skim
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Country:  | Apparently it was favoured by many American and New Zealand troops in the jungle as well. An extremely reliable weapon. But what was with the top fed magazine? | |
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10-10-2005, 01:56 AM
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#20 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | Almost looks like a paintball gun.
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10-10-2005, 02:24 AM
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#21 | | Senior Member
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Country:  | The PPSh-43 was still better than the PPSh-41, and the PPSh-41 wasn't exactly art.
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10-10-2005, 06:21 AM
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#22 | | Senior Member
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| The PPSh43 exaggerated the low lethality of the Soviet 7.62 round, was really not much better than the MP40 - that's a nice one.  NS:
I meant the weight and compactness really, though the Tommy's stock could be detached. Quote: |
It's all you need on a submachine gun because there's no way in hell you're going to hit anything spot-on beyond about 50 yards anyway.
| It is actually very accurate, there was even a Program with Jezza Clarkson and the Brit Army showing it's abilities.  Plus it's recoil ain't bad, due to it being so heavy and having a muzzle break. Quote: |
But what was with the top fed magazine?
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- Rifles and SMGs
- Major Fredrick Myatt M.C.
The Owen could also be fired one-handed like an Uzi.
One that's been forgotten here is the Sterling, or Patchett as it was called then.
Didn't see much WW2 service, but was one of the best.
Uncomfy, but not if you were used to a Sten. | |
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10-10-2005, 09:29 AM
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#23 | | He who does not skim
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Country: | Well the effective ranges of the PPS-43 and the PPSh-41 were both about double that of the MP-40, so I'd say the Soviet 7.62mm round had plenty of lethality. Especially close up. | |
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10-11-2005, 01:42 PM
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#24 | | Senior Member
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Country: | Yes, the PPS-43 was superior to both the PPSh-41 and MP-40. As I said before, it's considered to be one of the best SMGs of the war. And I would certainly rank it in the top three.
My father fired the Sterling and wasn't much impressed. He said it felt like holding a toy. But then he was also trained on the much loved SLR.
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10-11-2005, 01:47 PM
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#25 | | He who does not skim
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Country: | I just missed out on the Sterling. They discontinued the training with it not long before I joined up, and had switched completely over to the MP-5. According to everyone I know who had fired it, it was a clunker. | |
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10-15-2005, 11:05 PM
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#26 | | Senior Member
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| I think the Sterling is still the most powerful 9mm weapon?
It was auto, compact and very reliable and often silenced.
Popular with my family.
The SLR didn't have any of those features, apart from being reliable. | |
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10-15-2005, 11:24 PM
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#27 | | Senior Member
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Country: | You're a retard if you think the SLR wasn't good. The SLR was reliable, accurate, long range and it actually felt like a real gun. The SLR is one of the best rifles in the world ...ever.
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10-15-2005, 11:30 PM
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#28 | | He who does not skim
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Country: | The only bad points of the SLR were the relative length and weight, and they weren't really that bad. It didn't have an auto-fire setting either. | |
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10-15-2005, 11:34 PM
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#29 | | Senior Member
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Country: | My dad had no problem with the SLR. The only problem would be the length, as you said, in house-to-house fighting. The weight found no problem with my dad, he loved the feel of that wonderful rifle.
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10-15-2005, 11:43 PM
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#30 | | He who does not skim
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Country: | I thought it was alright. Of course, I've never been in combat with it. | |
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