Full Automatic M1 Garands - Aircraft of World War II

Pong · 11-12-2009, 11:48 PM

Hi all.

I was reading Stephen Ambrose's book Band of Brothers and in one chapter Ambrose mentions that
one of the E-Company men (Forrest Guth) used to modify the M1 to fire automatically. Unfortunately Guth forgot how he modified the rifle to fire automatically. I was wondering whether other soldiers modified their rifles to fire full automatic, and how they tricked the Garand to do this.

-Arlo

Barrakooda · 11-13-2009, 03:17 AM

Bump fire maybe?

YouTube - M1 Garand Bump fire

Shortround6 · 11-13-2009, 07:22 AM

It may be possiable with a little grinding/polishing of the sear. The trouble comes that most such "modifications" have a tendency to keep firing when the trigger is released

Messy1 · 11-13-2009, 08:45 AM

Wow, with a 8 round clip, would there really be that big of a advantage over the semi-auto Garand? With only the 8 rounds, that's not going to give you much of a firing window.

davebender · 11-13-2009, 06:50 PM

It would have been less trouble and more effective to carry a BAR.

Barrakooda · 11-16-2009, 08:16 AM

I think you will find that Guth modified a M1 carbine not a garand to fire auto, thats what i found at least in my limited research

comiso90 · 11-16-2009, 08:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barrakooda

I think you will find that Guth modified a M1 carbine not a garand to fire auto, thats what i found at least in my limited research

I agree... the Garand has a hell of a kick and would be terribly inaccurate on full auto.... and as mentioned an 8 round clip....

waste of time

ToughOmbre · 11-16-2009, 09:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by comiso90

I agree... the Garand has a hell of a kick and would be terribly inaccurate on full auto.... and as mentioned an 8 round clip....

waste of time

No doubt about it.

TO

Messy1 · 11-16-2009, 09:58 AM

[QUOTE=comiso90;588362]I agree... the Garand has a hell of a kick and would be terribly inaccurate on full auto.... and as mentioned an 8 round clip....

That was one of the downfalls of the M-14 which owes alot of it's design to the Garand. Highly inaccurate at full auto.

fastmongrel · 11-16-2009, 10:30 AM

I can see or should that be hear a problem with the Garand

The noise as an empty clip hits the ground havent you just told the other guy you now have an empty gun

Messy1 · 11-16-2009, 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fastmongrel

I can see or should that be hear a problem with the Garand

The noise as an empty clip hits the ground havent you just told the other guy you now have an empty gun

GI's used to , or also could use that sound to their advantage as well. They could carry a empty clip with them, and throw it on the ground, and see if anyone took the bait to pop their head up thinking the gun was out of ammo.

fastmongrel · 11-16-2009, 11:09 AM

I can see or should that be hear a problem with the Garand

The noise as an empty clip hits the ground havent you just told the other guy you now have an empty gun

Vassili Zaitzev · 11-16-2009, 11:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fastmongrel

I can see or should that be hear a problem with the Garand

The noise as an empty clip hits the ground havent you just told the other guy you now have an empty gun

I think when the bullets are flying, nobody is going to hear the clip eject, especially if there's a MG-42 firing lead in your direction.

Soren · 11-16-2009, 06:45 PM

It's not that big of a problem in most situations, and like pointed out it could actually be used to trick the enemy into thinking you were vulnerable. Not a flaw in my book.

That having been said, when'ever a German heard a clanking sound during fighting an Allied soldier he could probably not be blamed for actually seeking cover instead of popping up to shoot the guy as most Allied hand grenades used a detachable metal safety lever which made a similar noise when released as the grenade was thrown.

wheelsup_cavu · 11-18-2009, 12:09 AM

I forgot about the grenades making almost the same noise.

Wheels

11-12-2009, 11:48 PM	#1
Pong Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Manila, Philippines Posts: 894	Full Automatic M1 Garands Hi all. I was reading Stephen Ambrose's book Band of Brothers and in one chapter Ambrose mentions that one of the E-Company men (Forrest Guth) used to modify the M1 to fire automatically. Unfortunately Guth forgot how he modified the rifle to fire automatically. I was wondering whether other soldiers modified their rifles to fire full automatic, and how they tricked the Garand to do this. -Arlo __________________ "I have never met a man of... such intense desire to excel.... George Preddy was the complete fighter pilot." -General J.C Meyer

11-13-2009, 08:45 AM	#4
Messy1 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Ankeny, Iowa Posts: 1,675	Wow, with a 8 round clip, would there really be that big of a advantage over the semi-auto Garand? With only the 8 rounds, that's not going to give you much of a firing window. __________________ "No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country." George S. Patton "When you are at the end of your rope, tie a knot and hang on!" Franklin Roosevelt

11-13-2009, 06:50 PM	#5
davebender Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Michigan, USA Posts: 910	Modify the M1 to fire automatically It would have been less trouble and more effective to carry a BAR.

11-16-2009, 09:58 AM	#9
Messy1 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Ankeny, Iowa Posts: 1,675	[QUOTE=comiso90;588362]I agree... the Garand has a hell of a kick and would be terribly inaccurate on full auto.... and as mentioned an 8 round clip.... That was one of the downfalls of the M-14 which owes alot of it's design to the Garand. Highly inaccurate at full auto. __________________ "No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country." George S. Patton "When you are at the end of your rope, tie a knot and hang on!" Franklin Roosevelt

11-16-2009, 06:45 PM	#14
Soren Banned Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 6,625	It's not that big of a problem in most situations, and like pointed out it could actually be used to trick the enemy into thinking you were vulnerable. Not a flaw in my book. That having been said, when'ever a German heard a clanking sound during fighting an Allied soldier he could probably not be blamed for actually seeking cover instead of popping up to shoot the guy as most Allied hand grenades used a detachable metal safety lever which made a similar noise when released as the grenade was thrown. Last edited by Soren; 11-16-2009 at 06:54 PM.

11-13-2009, 03:17 AM	#2
Barrakooda Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 39	Bump fire maybe? YouTube - M1 Garand Bump fire

11-13-2009, 07:22 AM	#3
Shortround6 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 779	It may be possiable with a little grinding/polishing of the sear. The trouble comes that most such "modifications" have a tendency to keep firing when the trigger is released

11-16-2009, 08:16 AM	#6
Barrakooda Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 39	I think you will find that Guth modified a M1 carbine not a garand to fire auto, thats what i found at least in my limited research

11-16-2009, 10:30 AM	#10
fastmongrel Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 104	I can see or should that be hear a problem with the Garand The noise as an empty clip hits the ground havent you just told the other guy you now have an empty gun

11-16-2009, 11:09 AM	#12
fastmongrel Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 104	I can see or should that be hear a problem with the Garand The noise as an empty clip hits the ground havent you just told the other guy you now have an empty gun

11-18-2009, 12:09 AM	#15
wheelsup_cavu Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Corona, California Posts: 2,500	I forgot about the grenades making almost the same noise. Wheels __________________ Cheers Wheelsup_cavu Wheels's Photos - Time lapse build of an F/A-18 Super Hornet - Lock N' Load

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