Germans demand apology for allied bombing raids

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

I am sorry that you feel that way Kiwi but you know what you are entitled to that opinion because you are free and you have felt freedom your whole life. The Iraqis have never felt that freedom and now they can. There are now comedy stations on TV here in Iraq that they were never allowed to have, they can now go to any schools that they want, they can now sell what they want. The can now be free and when I see the children smile and I see these things, it makes me feel good and we did the right thing by coming here. And as for the WMD everyone knows that he had them and if you truely believe that he didn't then you are blind my friend. When you go and visit the ruins of the Kurdish village that he gassed and killed over 10,000 people then you would see that he was ruthless and would use gas again on other people if he could, he did not care about human life.

Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet

I am sorry that you feel that way Kiwi but you know what you are entitled to that opinion because you are free and you have felt freedom your whole life. The Iraqis have never felt that freedom and now they can. There are now comedy stations on TV here in Iraq that they were never allowed to have, they can now go to any schools that they want, they can now sell what they want. The can now be free and when I see the children smile and I see these things, it makes me feel good and we did the right thing by coming here. And as for the WMD everyone knows that he had them and if you truely believe that he didn't then you are blind my friend. When you go and visit the ruins of the Kurdish village that he gassed and killed over 10,000 people then you would see that he was ruthless and would use gas again on other people if he could, he did not care about human life.

Chemical weapons have a shelf life, typically less than 10 years. None of what Saddam used on the Kurds was still viable in 2002.

I've worked side by side with Palastinian, Iranian, and Pakistani expat engineers. Probably the most enlightened of Moslims, and still my conclusion is that Islam and democracy are really oil and water. The Koran tells them how to rule, our idea of democracy is just not compatable. If we can establish democracy and freedom in Iraq it will take a full generation for it to take root. But I think this unlikely, I expect civil war within a year.

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Lunatic

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

I never said that the weapons he used on the Kurds were the same weapons he had today. All I said was that the man would have to heart ache about using them again on anyone. He had no heart or consious and he is going to burn in hell or werever they go to in there religion. I do agree on the civil war though, I expect that to happen it is a powder keg right now waiting to explode.

OK GUYS,IF ANYONE IS THERE - im cute corporal(a chick that loves wwII stuff).now, i dont know too much about the details of all this, but i still form my basic opinion - the german soldiers were just carrying out orders - same as the english - we would demand apologies because they are germans bombing us - just as they do - there!matter simplified in two minutes!looking for youngish guys to talk to from this site (40 and under) about the second world war and various things related entirely to it.IM CUTE BUT I HAVE BRAINS SO TREAT ME WITH RESPECT - I ONLY WANT TO LEARN MORE!

ps:CUTE CORPORAL WILL SOON BE PROPERLY LOGGED IN WITH EMAIL ADDRESS AT LARGE.

cute corporal is officially logged on - hellllooooo boys!i want to find out about WWII (of course)especially uniform (german ss) and guns.do feel free to email and ill be back the same time later(or a different time)but anyway nice chatting and on second thoughts we should tell the germans to piss off with their apology request because WE won the ****ing war!

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Hello CUTE CORPORAL and welcome to the Site Anything you want to know we're the folk's to ask

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Speak for yourself

Welcome, Cute Coporal Oh no, now there are TWO CC's on the site

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

alrighty then

Originally Posted by Anonymous

OK GUYS,IF ANYONE IS THERE - im cute corporal(a chick that loves wwII stuff).now, i dont know too much about the details of all this, but i still form my basic opinion - the german soldiers were just carrying out orders - same as the english - we would demand apologies because they are germans bombing us - just as they do - there!matter simplified in two minutes!looking for youngish guys to talk to from this site (40 and under) about the second world war and various things related entirely to it.IM CUTE BUT I HAVE BRAINS SO TREAT ME WITH RESPECT - I ONLY WANT TO LEARN MORE!

The "just carrying out orders" excuse does not wash. Soldiers have an obligation not to carry out illegal and immoral orders. Also, it is very clear the German people knew who and what Hitler was. They followed him anyway. They "looked the other way" when he robbed and murdered in the mid-late 30's. As long as they got their share of the booty they were all to happy to excuse Hitler's behavior and support him.

There are lessons here we in the USA seem to have forgotton. I hope the price we pay is not so high.

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Lunatic

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Actually many people were scared of what he'd do to them if they refused so they just carried orders out for their own safety.
What you just typed fits the SS and Gestapo more.

Originally Posted by cheddar cheese

Actually many people were scared of what he'd do to them if they refused so they just carried orders out for their own safety.
What you just typed fits the SS and Gestapo more.

That was by the time the war started. In 1935-1939 the German people sat by and watched the Natzi's do evil things and did nothing.

It'd be like if we had a depression in the USA now, deciding to intern all the asians and hispanics and steal their property and re-distribute it to the whites. That is the kind of platform Hitler ran on.

It is not uncommon to hear German's (of the WW2 generation) say "we did not know", but this is pure BS. One only has to see film of any German city in 1937/38 to see the Jewish children litering the streets with no where to live because their parents had been interned, to realise they had to know. The German adults would step over them and refer to them as "gutter rats" as the proceeded to enter their new homes which used to be occupied by Jews.

Hitler was no more than a mafioso. The German people have to bear the responsibility for letting him rise to power.

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Lunatic

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Originally Posted by Anonymous

OK GUYS,IF ANYONE IS THERE - im cute corporal(a chick that loves wwII stuff).

Uh-oh!
Someone hide the 'Lurrvley Ladies' thread!

Welcome, Cute Corporal!

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[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Okay Lunatic I hate to say this but you really are talking a bunch of BS now. For the first thing I agree about the moral obligations of soldiers. There is no excuse for that. But I will tell you one thing right now and that is that a lot of Germans did not know what was going on. My Grandfather was one of them and you know I how tell because it was in his diary. My Grandfather was respected man and he never lied about anything. If you are calling my Grandfather a lier then you are lucky we are not talking face to face. As for the Germans not saying anything unless they got there "booty" as you called it, you are full of it. The German people never got anything, they never recieved anything. The Germans were just as scared of Hitler as anyone else. My Grandmother was a member of the German Red Cross and she has a steel plate in her head from being hit over the head by a SS soldier because she tried to feed the Untermenschen as they were called. So take your holier then thou attitude and your German bashing some where else. There I finally got it out of me, I am tired of hearing it.