Germans demand apology for allied bombing raids

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

And I agree with what less and all of you said and that is the main reason that I believe being here in Iraq right now is not a waste of time. When I see the children finally getting things they deserve it puts a smile on my face and I know that it is good.

[cheddar cheese]

Now now children play nicely. I accept ho you feel on the subject (i feel the same) but it isnt necessary to shout abuse at someone for expressing their opinions - everyones entitled to one.

[Hot Space]

Am I missing all the fun here

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[HealzDevo]

The fact is Rebel I doubt in some cases there is an optional solution. Sadam would never go if the International community just told him to go. He has thumbed his nose at the International community before. It is sentiments such as that that allowed Hitler to grow strong. May you learn more before you express such pacifist sentiments. Sadam had to be gone before he did even more harm to his people. The longer he was in power the longer and deeper he hurt his people. The question is how long it will take Iraq to recover from his rule. With him still in power however there would be no chance of the country ever recovering. Oh, it will recover for the rich, but the real test of a regieme is how it treats those poor people and how many of them there are. Only a very small percentage of the population is getting a lot of the wealth. The food and money shipments that were meant to aid the people of Iraq were getting diverted. Sadam has total control and while a dictator has total control there is no other solution but to get rid of that dictator in the best way possible. In this case Sadam is merely in prision. He wasn't shot. This means that he has a long time to think about the crimes he has committed. These acts of Sadam's were sanctioned by the country. The country's police and military were involved. With the scope and scale of what has been uncovered, it would be naive to think that Sadam was just an innocent victim of some renegade police or military officers. This was widespread corruption of human rights!! Most people agree that Iraq is better off without Sadam. I just have difficulty accepting that with what you read that you doubt these steps were necessary. Evil flourishs where there is no one ready to step forward and tackle it. Once tackled and beaten in its own way it finds it hard to survive. This is what has happened. The US genuinely believes in other nations exercising truth and honesty, and respect in their dealings with other nations, and their citizens. Both Sadam's Iraq and the Soviet Union didn't exercise this and therefore that in addition to their actions is why they fell foul of the US. Don't forget Sadam appeared on TV soon after September 11 praising the highjackers!!! He was pleased that such an occurance happened!!! He and his potential hidden guerilla warfare fighters were happy it happened!!! I am assuming that Sadam expected to fall and therefore set up the guerilla fighters during the period at the start to harrass the US and destroy them with sneaky methods.

[MichaelHenley]

I think that we ALL need to calm down here. Just because someone has Ideas different to the majorities is no reason to start swearing at them!

[rebel8303]

Damn I talked about an optional solution than war.
I'm not opposite to an assasination.

[Medvedya]

If it had been possible, it would have been done.

[rebel8303]

Well in this case you're right

[Medvedya]

Urm, that's the case in almost all conflict scenarios.
Countries don't go to war for no reason - its expensive, ties up your resources,
and if things go badly - for whatever reason, it will almost certantly finish a leaders political career.
However, if there's no other way, a responsible leader won't shrink from it.

It doesn't matter that no WMD's have been found - there were some ominious things going on, and you don't take chances with WMD's. Ever.
What Gulf War 2 has achived is a message to other pariah nations. Look how quickly Lybia have wanted to renew diplomatic ties again.
And as for Iran and North Korea - well, they know what will happen if they don't take steps to placate the west.

It's up to those leaders to decide if they want their statues pulled down. But one thing is clear, those regimes are living on borrowed time, one way on another.
Which will be a good thing.

[kiwimac]

Les & Maestro,

Please deal in a civil manner with others. Rebel is certainly entitled to his opinion EVEN IF IT DISAGREES with yours. And leave the bigoted comments about Gays out of it too.

Let me be clear, anymore of this and I will lock this thread and issue warnings. got it?

Kiwimac

Originally Posted by evangilder

The worst part is that they are demanding an apology from the Queen, but not the US President. Both the RAF and the USAAF pounded Dresden, RAF at night, AAF in the day. I guess they probably realize if they asked Bush for an apology, he would probably tell them to kiss his Texas ass.

US daylight raids targeted industry. British night raids targeted the city in general, mostly with incendiaries. So the request being directed to the Brits but not to the USA makes sense.

Even so, it's a bunch of crap. The German's fire bombed London and almost every British city they could reach. They have no grounds to complain. The Japanese have a more legitimate argument about the US firebombing of their major cities.

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Lunatic

[Hot Space]

Yep, I agree. Look at what the Germans did to Coventry in November 1940. Almost wiped it off the map.

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[kiwimac]

Hey, HS, nice pic of Debbie Harry.

Kiwimac

[Hot Space]

Thanks, m8 I've got about a 1,000 or so stored on Photobucket

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[rebel8303]

RG_Lunatic is right after all the Germans started the war