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06-16-2008, 05:13 PM
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Country:  | The poll really is a basic simple poll. If you really wanted to debate the best commander's you would have to beak it down to strategic and tactical and maybe even political.
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06-16-2008, 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet  The poll really is a basic simple poll. If you really wanted to debate the best commander's you would have to beak it down to strategic and tactical and maybe even political. | Indeed. I think perhaps one major contributor to Germany's defeat was the lack of a strong, competent Strategic leader, unlike the many very capable tactical generals {or "theater" commanders} {Rommel, Kesselring, Model, Manstein etc}
They could have done better if Halder or Keitel {or another} had the power to stand up to Hitler and impose some logical order, rather than depend on the moody & untrained Hitler for the direction of the war.
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06-16-2008, 07:11 PM
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Country:  | I would love to see the explanation for whoever voted for Hermann Goering. 
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06-16-2008, 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Njaco I would love to see the explanation for whoever voted for Hermann Goering. | Doesn't HG have some relatives in the USA? 
Maybe they voted for Gramps....
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06-16-2008, 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Njaco I would love to see the explanation for whoever voted for Hermann Goering. | greatest allied general of wwii ???
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06-16-2008, 08:50 PM
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06-17-2008, 12:24 AM
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Originally Posted by freebird If I were picking a British general it would be Brooke or O'conner, not Gott or Slim | Why, O'conner and not Slim? besides bagging in the Italians – a feat that is very difficult to evaluate IMO, his performance at Caen wasn’t very convincing. Slim managed to hold out all the while and ended as a victor at the end.
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06-17-2008, 12:25 AM
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Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet The poll really is a basic simple poll. If you really wanted to debate the best commander's you would have to beak it down to strategic and tactical and maybe even political. | Fully agreed
What about Josef Priller, that guy was a Luftwaffe Colonel-fighter pilot, or did I miss out on any General with that name?
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06-17-2008, 01:58 AM
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Country: | Slim is one of the most underrated generals of the war. befor you make any observations about this thetre, and his leadership, you should read some of the background material.
That takes nothing away from o'Connor. He was a good tactical general. And caen was a ba*tard of a place to fight, against the best the wehrmacht could throw into the defence.
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06-17-2008, 04:52 AM
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Country:  | monty took over cossack,kicked out most of the rubbish,eg general k.e.n anderson,proposed c.o of brit 2nd army,planned overlord.would that not make him a strategic general.starling.  .
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06-17-2008, 06:01 AM
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Originally Posted by starling monty took over cossack,kicked out most of the rubbish,eg general k.e.n anderson,proposed c.o of brit 2nd army,planned overlord.would that not make him a strategic general.starling. . | If I'm not mistaken didn't Montgomery also loiter after taking Antwerp for about a month allowing the Germans to reinforce or build defences in the Scheldt
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06-17-2008, 07:08 AM
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Country: | Therere was one single recurriing theme that slowed all allied operations down to a crawl in the late fall of 1944....logistics. Monty was no more immune to that than the others. With the majority of stores still being hauled over the mulberry in Normandy, and then shipped by a massive truck fleet (the red ball highway???) no trasins as yet and no permanent port to use as yet, the pace of operations at the front was bound to suffer.
Not that I find it easy to defend Monty, he was the supreme ditherer.....that doesnt necessariy mean he is a purely bad general
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06-17-2008, 10:53 AM
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Country: | i once saw doc areyce nusbacher say..the only way to sttop a german blitz attack,was defence in depth like kursk...well he never read about medenine did he.our monty stopped a whole german panzer corps;10pz div,15pz div and 21pz div,dead.commanded by rommel,again.he gave rommel a real kick in the face,which apparently made rommel ill.poor boy had to go home,i believe.yours,starling.
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