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06-19-2008, 08:10 AM
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Country:  | Starling, I don't think he's asking you to remove it, just explain it as he thought it might represent something else.
As for posting, most of what you can do is right on the page. It you want to change something you said, press the edit button at the bottom of your post and you can change and save. If you want to quote someone, press the quote button (it looks like a yellow piece of paper) across the top after you hit the edit. Then you can cut and paste whoever said what between the brackets.
Back on thread. Starling you must remember two things about the battle you support. Like Parsifal said, Rommel was forced to accept plans with the Italian general, who, funny as it sounds, was the highest authority at that time in NA. He was not happy with that.
Second, the British were not facing all of the German forces as some were facing the Americans coming in from the west. It was a two front battle and German forces were split.
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06-19-2008, 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Kruska  . One of my favorite ww2 movies (based not on true accounts as I had to find out painfully a week ago  , Njaco even thought it was a documentary ) is “The Eagle has Landed” where this Irish agent working for the Germans is named Starling.
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06-20-2008, 08:09 AM
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i apologise to you all,if my remarks upset any one here.yours,starling.
i try to read books and my memory,instead of google or wiki,to me these are tools,not complete fact.thanks for pointing the way forward though,i will try and get my books out of storage.yours,starling.  .
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06-20-2008, 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by starling i apologise to you all,if my remarks upset any one here.yours,starling.
i try to read books and my memory,instead of google or wiki,to me these are tools,not complete fact.thanks for pointing the way forward though,i will try and get my books out of storage.yours,starling. . |  You have a great character, I will enjoy to have you on this forum
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06-20-2008, 12:16 PM
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Its a good sign that you can apologize like that. I for one did not set out to denigrate you. But i did want to try and educate you on how to present your cases. If you dont you will get into all sorts of strife.
Just to summarize....know your facts, then choose your language. Dont see this as a competition, but rather an exchange of ideas. you can make any statements that you like, but if you do, be well prepared.
I am saying this to try and help you, not inslut or belittle you
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06-20-2008, 07:09 PM
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Country: | I agree with Parsifal and Kruska, Starling. I would just add that phrases like "kick a**" and "he's a dope" really don't get you too far especially when trying to make a point. I say that because I have done that a few times and learned the hard way! Parsifal, sounds like a flyboyism!
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06-20-2008, 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Njaco
Parsifal, sounds like a flyboyism! | darn it, why didn't I see that?
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06-20-2008, 07:25 PM
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Country: | Since he is on the list, was there any redeeming value having Hermann Goering as a commander?
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06-20-2008, 08:27 PM
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Country: | Off course, sure he ….....ahhh……..yeah……...hmm…. well as a buddy of him or favored subordinate, you would have been invited to one of his swell parties at Carinhall, hunting and bathing your hands in semi precious stones.
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06-20-2008, 10:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Njaco Since he is on the list, was there any redeeming value having Hermann Goering as a commander? | I think I've heard he was a fairly good & brave flyer in WWI, only later in WWII did he turn into a pompous ass.
But if you consider the early history of the Luftwaffe they were quite effective, do you think that was all the work of subordinates?
Consider thet he {presumably as head of LW}:
1.) Built up in secret from nothing into a potent force.
2.) Promoted competent subordinates like Kesselring, not just useless toadies
3.) Allowed & presided over a whole new set of strategies for air power, such as the use of Stuka's as "forward artillery" {in France 1940, etc}
4.) Allowed such revolutionary concepts such as the destruction of the enemy air power on the airfields, {Poland, France, Russia etc.}, while the British RAF were starving their own air defences to feed the "Trenchard" folly, RAF doctrine was almot totally fixated on "Heavy Bombing"
I'm not saying that he did all of this, but the Luftwaffe was a very effective tool of war {with the only failing 39 - 42 being "BoB"}, so if he was totally wrong and incompetant I don't think they could have done this well
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06-21-2008, 07:31 AM
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Country: | i know of a mr franz goering,who is a member of the german cross country ski team.he is a very large man,who excells in the skating technique.i do not know if he is a relative of herman though.yours,starling.p.s.i hope you like my new avatar,my grandad is on the left.alas,i know not what regt he was with.a wonderful man,he liked holland,belgium and germany,but died 2 months after i broke my neck.
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06-21-2008, 08:21 AM
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Country: | I think I've read that after Richtohfen died and Goering took over, he failed to fly again and really wasn't well liked by his subordinates.
Starling, broke your neck?! Are you ok? If you have a bigger pic of your grand-dad you might want to post and see if anybody can recognize what unit he was with.
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06-21-2008, 09:06 AM
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Country: | yes,njaco,i severed the c-5,c-6 and c-7 vertibrae,and am paralised.i have the use in 1 finger,but i type with a garden peg.there are numbers on the back of my grandads pictures.he was a bofors gunner,and the numbers were simply...27....163..776...i believe.i have checked wiki and the others,but alas no joy.i thought they were regts or batteries.yours,starling.
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