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| View Poll Results: Which of these WWII Military Commanders is the Greatest? | |||
| Erwin Rommel | | 40 | 30.30% |
| George S. Patton | | 27 | 20.45% |
| Bernard Montgomery | | 14 | 10.61% |
| Douglas MacArthur | | 7 | 5.30% |
| Dwight D. Eisenhower | | 8 | 6.06% |
| Curtis LeMay | | 1 | 0.76% |
| Heinz Guderian | | 15 | 11.36% |
| Hugh Dowding | | 15 | 11.36% |
| Chester W. Nimitz | | 14 | 10.61% |
| Admiral Raymond Ames Spruance | | 4 | 3.03% |
| General Arnold | | 0 | 0% |
| General Marshall | | 5 | 3.79% |
| Marshal Georgi Zhukov | | 13 | 9.85% |
| Isoroku Yamamoto | | 11 | 8.33% |
| Chuichi Nagumo | | 0 | 0% |
| Raizo Tanaka | | 1 | 0.76% |
| Tameichi Hara | | 1 | 0.76% |
| General Slim | | 9 | 6.82% |
| Major General Hermann Balck | | 3 | 2.27% |
| General Wingate | | 4 | 3.03% |
| Ernest King | | 1 | 0.76% |
| Matthew Bunker Ridgway | | 1 | 0.76% |
| Keith Park | | 4 | 3.03% |
| Herman Goring | | 1 | 0.76% |
| Omar Bradley | | 3 | 2.27% |
| Richard O'Connor | | 1 | 0.76% |
| Konstantin Rokossovsky | | 3 | 2.27% |
| Erich von Manstein | | 18 | 13.64% |
| Aleksandr Vasilevsky | | 0 | 0% |
| Norman Cota | | 1 | 0.76% |
| Gerd von Rundstedt | | 2 | 1.52% |
| Charles de Gaulle | | 0 | 0% |
| Võ Nguyên Giáp | | 0 | 0% |
| Carl Gustaf Emil Mannerheim | | 4 | 3.03% |
| Gunichi Mikawa | | 1 | 0.76% |
| Jisaburo Ozawa | | 1 | 0.76% |
| Maxime Weygand | | 0 | 0% |
| Walther Model | | 1 | 0.76% |
| Andrew Browne Cunningham | | 2 | 1.52% |
| Teddy Roosevelt Jr. | | 1 | 0.76% |
| Josef Priller | | 1 | 0.76% |
| Hasso von Manteuffel | | 1 | 0.76% |
| Rodolfo Graziani | | 0 | 0% |
| Aritomo Goto | | 0 | 0% |
| Tamon Yamaguchi | | 0 | 0% |
| Petre Dumitrescu | | 0 | 0% |
| Harry Crerar | | 0 | 0% |
| Peng Dehuai | | 0 | 0% |
| Leslie Morshead | | 2 | 1.52% |
| Edward Rydz-Śmigły | | 0 | 0% |
| Robert Lee Scott, Jr. | | 0 | 0% |
| Lewis H. Brereton | | 0 | 0% |
| Charles MacDonald | | 1 | 0.76% |
| Other: | | 14 | 10.61% |
| Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 132. You may not vote on this poll | |||
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| Der Crewchief ![]() Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ansbach, Germany
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| The man in the picture is Otto Skorzeny. He was an Obersturmbannführer (Lieutenant Colonel) in the Waffen SS. Otto Skorzeny - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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| Well, in the sense of the larger unit commanders, I dont think Skorzeny could reasonably be included, any more than the great british commando leaders, like Stirling or Bagnold could be included. For the record, however, I do think that Skorzeny was one of the most effective commandoes of his time, and certainly deserves a great ddeal of respect
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| | #288 |
| Der Crewchief ![]() Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ansbach, Germany
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| I don't know, I did not throw him in the pot.
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| Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: British Columbia
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Yes, you are right about that.
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| | #290 |
| Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008
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| OOOps.... I didn't read the poll carefully and thought it meant Military leaders instead of Military commanders and so I voted for George Marshall!!!! |
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| Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2008
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| Gen. Douglas MacArthur is, for me, the greatest WW2 general. With fewer casualties of troops in comparison to eisenhower, montgomery, patton, and even rommel, with even fewer war materials used, MacArthur is definitely the best WW2 general. |
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| | #292 |
| Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Darkest Norfolk, U.K.
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| Leaders. Unless I missed it on a page somewhere, why has nobody mentioned Karl Doenitz? |
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| Senior Member Join Date: May 2007
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| I know it has been chewed over many times, but how an efficient commander like Montgomery allowed such a stupendous coke-up as Market Garden puzzles me endlessly. Even the radio sets had the wrong crystals and when intelligence officers tried to point out the presence of Panzers in the region, they shrugged it off as scare-mongering etc. Un-real I therefore say that all military commanders are only as good as their last victory. |
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| Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: British Columbia
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Monty has been harshly critisized for the plan, but overall it was not a bad plan, and even with all the "****-ups" very nearly succeeded, as they almost captured the Arnhem bridge. It was a big gamble, which {they supposed} if it succeeded would prevent a long nasty slog similar to the Italian campaign. If it failed, it would cost about 10,000 paratroops, which could be replaced. They decided it was worth the gamble. To be fair, things like the wrong crystals or the poor para DZ's are not Monty's responsibility, alot of leaders dropped the ball on this one
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| Yes, it does seem that Monty was not well-advised or supported in retrospect. It was almost as if they (his supporting cast) were becoming *complacent* or perhaps jaded and war-weary ? Still, it must rate as one of the greatest reversals Post D-Day BAR 'The Bulge' of course ! - and Monty must take at least some responsibility for the failure, after all it was his show, and he was in a position to select his subordinates to some degree. BUT most battle plans go to pot within about 5 minutes of the action starting, especially where airborne forces are involved. They never seem to land in the right place !! Crom Quote:
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| | #296 |
| Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Texas
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| I had to vote for Hugh Dowding. Without him who knows what might have happened if the Battle of Britain was lost.
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| I think the forerunners of Dowding should get more acclaim then him. It was guys like Freeman and Ellington that got the Spits and Hurricanes and radar , they had foresight to make sure the Merlins were 100 octane capable in 37 and also were the people that got the Mosquito on line , Dowding had all the weapons he needed thanks to Freeman and Ellington and Newell |
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| Senior Member Join Date: May 2007
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| It is a sad fact, almost a platitude or by-word, that credit is rarely distributed fairly or to the right person My father, bless his soul, made several unique discoveries or innovations during the war - but could never talk about them for decades due to the official secrets act. Neither could he make money out his discoveries either, for the same reason(s) There must be 100s of stories of lost or mis-placed credit, in combat or further back in the supporting ranks. What can you do ? Quote:
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| Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Texas
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| Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: British Columbia
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Churchill was ready to thow everything into the defence of France, and the cupboard would be bare for the BoB
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