Handguns from World Wars

schwarzpanzer · 12-23-2005, 02:52 PM

I can get the info for my last point (10mm).

The rolling eyes is unfair, the .38 spesh actually measures .375 and can be used in the Colt Python etc.

(Though I wouldn't use a .357 mag in a .38 spesh

)

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 12-26-2005, 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by schwarzpanzer

Hk USP is now the standard US Army pistol, maybe you will be updated?

BTW: You get your M240 yet?

What are your sources on this because we have not been told anything about that. Our Armorer is pretty up to date on these things and he has said nothing about a replacement for the 9mm being found yet. I did a search at the Official Army's website and found nothing on it.

As for the M240-G, no and we are not sure when we are getting them either.

schwarzpanzer · 12-28-2005, 04:07 AM

I know special forces are using it, heard it is replacing the M9, then again I also heard the G36 is replacing the SA80 and the XM8 is replacing the M16/M4A1/M249...

Pity you're not getting your Gimpy yet.

Quote:

I did a search at the Official Army's website and found nothing on it.

Yeah, theres an article on the M9 that's gone down there.

Pity you're not getting your 'Gimp' (

) yet.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 12-28-2005, 07:04 AM

Yes the article about the 9mm at the official Armys website says they are still looking for a replacement for it. The HK is one of the possibilities but it has not been decided yet.

schwarzpanzer · 12-30-2005, 11:18 PM

Saw something the other day that looked like a USP with a compensator.

Are there any reasons why military weapons can't have compensators?
Cost I guess, but are there other reasons?

The only military weapon with a compensator that spring to mind is the M1928A1, which was not strictly a military design and had it's compensator dropped for it's Army redesign.

Anyway the main problem of the .45 in Army service (recoil) would then be solved.

BTW I'd ditch the threaded barrel on the USP for Army usage, daft move?

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 12-31-2005, 09:07 AM

Well all that comes into play only if they choose the weapon.

schwarzpanzer · 01-04-2006, 07:00 AM

There was a documentary on UK TV called 9mm or something, had John McAlise in it. It was on about the nature/history of the 9mm and a debate on if it will be replaced by NATO.

Perhaps the US has thought it would be pointless re-equiping with .45's if the new NATO round is, say .40.

Who is in charge of NATO now anyway?
- If it's France, then maybe they'll be awkward just to annoy the US?

Anyway, a few soldiers have aparently been retro-issued 1911A1's.

How would you feel about that DerAdler? (less than half the ammo)

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 01-08-2006, 07:16 AM

I would rather wait and see what comes out of the Joint Combat Pistol program. It is also a .45, however I dont know what is going to come about it or what weapon will be chosen for it.

schwarzpanzer · 01-10-2006, 08:14 PM

That sounds like the HK USP/Mk23 to me, I'm pretty certain that's the JCP gun.

You sure it'll be .45? Seems logical, but won't all NATO have to adopt it then? - I can't see that being accepted in Europe.

schwarzpanzer · 01-10-2006, 08:16 PM

That sounds like the HK USP/Mk23 to me, I'm pretty certain that's the JCP gun.

You sure it'll be .45? Seems logical, but won't all NATO have to adopt it then? - I can't see that being accepted in Europe.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 01-11-2006, 03:18 AM

Well that is what they are telling us and that is also what they are telling us on the DoD websites and so forth. My buddy who is the armorer just came back from another armorer course and that is what they are talking about.

NOw the Joint Combat Pistol is still up for grabs. There is not just one gun being decided for it. They are testing several guns.

schwarzpanzer · 02-09-2006, 11:58 PM

It's going to be a dilemma:

Good armour penetration (e.g. 5.7mm FN57) or lethality (.45 ACP)?

Is the Corbon good at both Soren? Is it OK for Army usage?

This link should sort the 9mm vs .45 ACP lethality debate:

http://www.sightm1911.com/lib/histor...round.htm#test

NB: The 9mm PB & 7.6mm-ish Soviet & German bullets have better armour penetration, that this test doesn't consider. USA-type .45 and .30 pistol (M1 Carbine) bullets perform very poorly against even thick clothing.

CharlesBronson · 01-14-2007, 04:52 PM

Soldiers of a SS pz Div in the Ardennes, the gun is a pistole 640(b) , FN High power in german use.

Matt308 · 01-16-2007, 11:41 AM

I find this ballistics debate amusing. As the misinformation is flying back and forth. I wish that I had noted this thread back at its origination.

CharlesBronson · 02-09-2007, 06:56 PM

S&W 38/200, this was a british request gun, the cartrigde was the 38 S&W(short variant not the special) with a 200 grain bullet...result, a reaaally slow muzzle velocity.