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12-05-2005, 02:56 PM
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__________________  We have built a total of about 1250 of this aircraft (Me-262), but only fifty were allowed to be used as fighters - as interceptors. And out of this fifty, there were never more than 25 operational. So we had only a very, very few.
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12-05-2005, 02:58 PM
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#92 | | Der Crewchief
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__________________  US Army Blackhawk Crewchief 2000-2006 Classic ww2aircraft.net quotes: fly boy said: "isn't that the first jet bomber? becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles" "wait what ok who made the b-2 crash come on people that messed up its a b-2" "ah yes the mistel those things are so annoying is games and in real life" | |
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12-05-2005, 03:00 PM
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| I was arguing the fact that you said it had no stopping power, which it has. (Too bad one just can't hit with the M9  )
__________________ We have built a total of about 1250 of this aircraft (Me-262), but only fifty were allowed to be used as fighters - as interceptors. And out of this fifty, there were never more than 25 operational. So we had only a very, very few.
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12-05-2005, 03:06 PM
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#94 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | No sorry but 75 percent of the US Army and myself cant be wrong when we all say it does not have stopping power.
__________________ US Army Blackhawk Crewchief 2000-2006 Classic ww2aircraft.net quotes: fly boy said: "isn't that the first jet bomber? becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles" "wait what ok who made the b-2 crash come on people that messed up its a b-2" "ah yes the mistel those things are so annoying is games and in real life" | |
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12-05-2005, 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet No sorry but 75 percent of the US Army and myself cant be wrong when we all say it does not have stopping power. | The M9 shoots the 9mm parabellum round, and that round is more than enough up close, you can easily stop a man with it, EASILY. That the M9 can't hit a 9 foot barn door at point blank is another matter entirely.
__________________ We have built a total of about 1250 of this aircraft (Me-262), but only fifty were allowed to be used as fighters - as interceptors. And out of this fifty, there were never more than 25 operational. So we had only a very, very few.
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12-05-2005, 06:54 PM
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Country:  | I agree with Alder, .45 is better than 9mm. Better stopping power.
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12-06-2005, 01:07 AM
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Anyway having used the Beretta I can agree with Adler its a peice of ****, but lets remeber that sidearms are really just a decorative acessory for officers, now pilots and SF are a different story however.
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12-06-2005, 01:38 AM
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#98 | | Der Crewchief
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Originally Posted by Soren Quote: |
Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet No sorry but 75 percent of the US Army and myself cant be wrong when we all say it does not have stopping power. | The M9 shoots the 9mm parabellum round, and that round is more than enough up close, you can easily stop a man with it, EASILY. That the M9 can't hit a 9 foot barn door at point blank is another matter entirely. | Yes Soren you are correct. I am wrong. All of my experiences are invalid based on your book knowledge. I am sorry that I use a 9mm M9 as my primary weapon, however do not know my weapon or the effectiveness of it. I bow down to you and your infininate wisdom. 
__________________ US Army Blackhawk Crewchief 2000-2006 Classic ww2aircraft.net quotes: fly boy said: "isn't that the first jet bomber? becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles" "wait what ok who made the b-2 crash come on people that messed up its a b-2" "ah yes the mistel those things are so annoying is games and in real life" | |
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12-06-2005, 08:00 AM
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#99 | | Forum Politruk
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12-06-2005, 12:28 PM
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#100 | | He who does not skim
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12-06-2005, 01:03 PM
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#101 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | Ive got a .38 Special Snubnose just like the one below. I love the thing. It reminds me of the old Cop movies.
__________________ US Army Blackhawk Crewchief 2000-2006 Classic ww2aircraft.net quotes: fly boy said: "isn't that the first jet bomber? becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles" "wait what ok who made the b-2 crash come on people that messed up its a b-2" "ah yes the mistel those things are so annoying is games and in real life" | |
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12-06-2005, 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet Quote: |
Originally Posted by Soren Quote: |
Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet No sorry but 75 percent of the US Army and myself cant be wrong when we all say it does not have stopping power. | The M9 shoots the 9mm parabellum round, and that round is more than enough up close, you can easily stop a man with it, EASILY. That the M9 can't hit a 9 foot barn door at point blank is another matter entirely. | Yes Soren you are correct. I am wrong. All of my experiences are invalid based on your book knowledge. I am sorry that I use a 9mm M9 as my primary weapon, however do not know my weapon or the effectiveness of it. I bow down to you and your infininate wisdom. | 
Adler I'm not saying your wrong about the M9 being a shitty pistol, infact if you look back abit you'll see I actually agree with you.
However I know from first hand experience (And not from reading a book) that the 9mm parabellum is more than enough up close, and is alot more accurate than the .45 ACP. (Hence why special forces prefer the 9mm)
Whenever going inside a building to take out the bad guys, we had been instructed always to aim for the head, and the reason is simple; There's always the likelyhood that the enemy is wearing a bullet-proof vest, so if we were to go in and aim for the torso, we would be foolishly playing with our lives, as there's a very good chance we would then be shot in return.
Inside buildings we always used pistols simply because you can maneuver better that way.
And as to the stopping power of the .45 .... well if your unfortunate enough get hit by it, its not going to make you skip across the floor as some believe, not even if it hits bone. Infact its more likely to just go straight through you, as is the 9mm. (Unless it hits bone of-cause)
The kinetic energy of the two rounds:
125gr 9mm Parabellum at 381m/s = 434 ft.lbs.
200gr .45 Auto at 297m/s = 422 ft.lbs.
Btw nice .38
__________________ We have built a total of about 1250 of this aircraft (Me-262), but only fifty were allowed to be used as fighters - as interceptors. And out of this fifty, there were never more than 25 operational. So we had only a very, very few.
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12-06-2005, 07:52 PM
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#103 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | It does not matter to me Soren, I am not going to argue with you on my personal experiences. I know from personal experience and so does many others the opposite of what you are saying.
__________________ US Army Blackhawk Crewchief 2000-2006 Classic ww2aircraft.net quotes: fly boy said: "isn't that the first jet bomber? becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles" "wait what ok who made the b-2 crash come on people that messed up its a b-2" "ah yes the mistel those things are so annoying is games and in real life" | |
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12-06-2005, 08:19 PM
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Country:  | Going back to the WW2, some pics of a rare .45: 
This pistol manufactured by Hispano-Argentina Fabricas de Automoviles SA in Buenos Aires, Argentina in 1939-1940. This is one of the pistols ordered by the British Purchasing Agency in 1939-1940. The Ballester-Molina pistols were issued to the SOE (Strategic Operations Executive) and other British clandestine organizations fighting the Nazis in occupied Europe. Correct for the British contract pistols "B" prefixed serial number. Marked on the right side of slide and frame with British proofs, "Crown over P". The barrel displays British pressure test proofs and the caliber designation. Left side of the slide is marked: "PISTOLA AUTOMATICA C. 11.25 mm FABRICADA POR 'HAFDASA' PATENTES INTERNACIONALES 'BALLESTER-MOLINA' INDUSTRIA ARGENTINA" (in three lines). 5" barrel. 7 shots magazine. The design closely follows the lines of Colt M1911 A1, except:
a) The hammer strut on the HAFDASA pistol is much shorter than that of the M1911A1.
b) The firing pin stop on the HAFDASA pistol is not recessed on the side as it is on the M1911A1.
c) The safety lock on the HAFDASA pistol is redesigned with a larger diameter pin, and it can be applied with the hammer cocked or fully down.
d) The mainspring housing on the HAFDASA pistol is an integeral part of the frame.
e) The HAFDASA pistol has a pivoting trigger with a single extension along the right side that cams the side mounted disconnector and engages the sear.
f) The magazine catch on the HAFDASA pistol is assembled differently.
g) The HAFDASA pistol has no slide stop disassembly notch  
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12-06-2005, 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet It does not matter to me Soren, I am not going to argue with you on my personal experiences. I know from personal experience and so does many others the opposite of what you are saying. | We are not argueing Adler, atleast Im not. Just telling you how I was instructed on sidearms and how we used them.
Don't let it get to you Adler, its just a debate.
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Nice pictures there Charls
__________________ We have built a total of about 1250 of this aircraft (Me-262), but only fifty were allowed to be used as fighters - as interceptors. And out of this fifty, there were never more than 25 operational. So we had only a very, very few.
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