Hitler was a football coach, say children - Aircraft of World War II

Colin1 · 11-06-2009, 01:27 PM

The Daily Telegraph Friday 6 November 2009

One in twenty schoolchildren thinks Adolf Hitler coached the German football team, according to a survey.

A similar proportion said The Holocaust was a celebration at the end of the Second World War while one in six youngsters said Auschwitz was a theme park.

The survey for Erskine, a war veterans charity in Scotland, also found that one in ten thought SS stood for Enid Blyton's Secret Seven and one in twelve believed the Blitz was a European clean-up operation following the Second World War.

The charity said it would now take part in a nationwide scheme to educate schoolchildren about the two world wars. The survey of 2,000 children between the ages of 9 and 15 found a quarter said they did not think about the soldiers who were killed; 40% said they did not know when Remembrance Sunday was but 70% said they wanted to learn more.

Major Jim Panton, Chief Executive of Erskine said "Some of the answers have shocked us and it has shown that Erskine, among others, has a part to play, not just in caring for veterans but in educating society as a whole."

"As we approach Remembrance Sunday, it is hard to believe that 40% of our children do not know when it is. Schoolchildren are the future of the country and it is important that we help them to learn about our history."

The charity said it wanted its veterans to share their experiences of war with younger generations.

Andrew Salmond of Their Past Your Future, a partnership that will work with Erskine said "This initiative offers a fantastic opportunity. Some will convey wartime loss and suffering, others will speak of daring and inspiration. However, all will be of great educational value."

Maximowitz · 11-06-2009, 01:56 PM

Meanwhile in the changing rooms of the German World Cup Squad...

"Vot ve need is ze blitzkrieg into ze penalty area! Total football! Remember lebensraum for ze ball and nicht backward passing!

Vot do you mean vee are going to come second?

Colin1 · 11-06-2009, 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maximowitz

Meanwhile in the changing rooms of the German World Cup Squad...

"Vot ve need is ze blitzkrieg into ze penalty area! Total football! Remember lebensraum for ze ball and nicht backward passing!

Vot do you mean vee are going to come second?

His team-sheets must have been reasonably predictable

1 goalkeeper and 10 right-wingers...

Maximowitz · 11-06-2009, 02:27 PM

If they were playing Poland do you think they'd start the game without telling them?

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 11-06-2009, 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maximowitz

Meanwhile in the changing rooms of the German World Cup Squad...

"Vot ve need is ze blitzkrieg into ze penalty area! Total football! Remember lebensraum for ze ball and nicht backward passing!

Vot do you mean vee are going to come second?

I can not stop laughing reading this!

Now on a serious note though. I find what these school children think is very disturbing. Is this in Scotland?

Colin1 · 11-06-2009, 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet

I find what these school children think is very disturbing. Is this in Scotland?

I'm not sure
Erskine are based in Scotland but the piece doesn't specify whether the survey was conducted solely in Scotland.

jamierd · 11-06-2009, 02:54 PM

the survey was conducted in edinburgh and glasgow though their is no information about how many in each city gave the wrong answers

DBII · 11-06-2009, 02:59 PM

"Meanwhile in the changing rooms of the German World Cup Squad..." Sounds like a set up for....

John Cleese

DBII

Clay_Allison · 11-06-2009, 04:38 PM

I'm a teacher in the US. I'm sure the history teachers would report the same degree of ignorance.

wheelsup_cavu · 11-06-2009, 05:01 PM

It's sad to hear that Clay.

Wheels

Civettone · 11-06-2009, 05:23 PM

They were between 9 and 15. So probably that 1 in 10 came from the younger part. I do NOT expect 9 year olds to know who Hitler was. They already need to know so much at that age. Just as long as they know who he is and what he stood for by the time they are 15 I am ok with this.

Kris

Gnomey · 11-06-2009, 05:25 PM

Maximowitz.

It is disturbing for sure and unfortunately it will be replicated in other places as well. For some reason I suspect that perhaps more of the Glaswegians gave the strange answers than those from Edinburgh or it could be my bias showing through...

BikerBabe · 11-06-2009, 06:16 PM

Painter, dear kids - painter.
And a pretty hopeless one at that.

Oberstleutnant Galland was better:

(Just kidding - this photo shows the painter Leo Poeten and Galland. Galland is giving the painter advice on how he wanted the painting finished).

RabidAlien · 11-06-2009, 08:33 PM

I'm having to lean towards Clive's way of thinking on this. At that age, only those who have an interest in history will probably know any sort of details. I would expect the older kids to at least know about "Blitz", "Auschwitz", and "SS", though, but I bet if you took a poll of kids between 9 and 15 on math subjects, a large percentage wouldn't be able to do middle-to-higher level math. Notably...the younger kids.

Amsel · 11-06-2009, 09:25 PM

At least the American kids aren't the only ones.

11-06-2009, 01:27 PM	#1
Colin1 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 1,763	Hitler was a football coach, say children The Daily Telegraph Friday 6 November 2009 One in twenty schoolchildren thinks Adolf Hitler coached the German football team, according to a survey. A similar proportion said The Holocaust was a celebration at the end of the Second World War while one in six youngsters said Auschwitz was a theme park. The survey for Erskine, a war veterans charity in Scotland, also found that one in ten thought SS stood for Enid Blyton's Secret Seven and one in twelve believed the Blitz was a European clean-up operation following the Second World War. The charity said it would now take part in a nationwide scheme to educate schoolchildren about the two world wars. The survey of 2,000 children between the ages of 9 and 15 found a quarter said they did not think about the soldiers who were killed; 40% said they did not know when Remembrance Sunday was but 70% said they wanted to learn more. Major Jim Panton, Chief Executive of Erskine said "Some of the answers have shocked us and it has shown that Erskine, among others, has a part to play, not just in caring for veterans but in educating society as a whole." "As we approach Remembrance Sunday, it is hard to believe that 40% of our children do not know when it is. Schoolchildren are the future of the country and it is important that we help them to learn about our history." The charity said it wanted its veterans to share their experiences of war with younger generations. Andrew Salmond of Their Past Your Future, a partnership that will work with Erskine said "This initiative offers a fantastic opportunity. Some will convey wartime loss and suffering, others will speak of daring and inspiration. However, all will be of great educational value." Last edited by Colin1; 11-06-2009 at 02:21 PM.

11-06-2009, 01:56 PM	#2
Maximowitz Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: London, England. Posts: 839	Meanwhile in the changing rooms of the German World Cup Squad... "Vot ve need is ze blitzkrieg into ze penalty area! Total football! Remember lebensraum for ze ball and nicht backward passing! Vot do you mean vee are going to come second? __________________

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Maximowitz Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: London, England. Posts: 839	If they were playing Poland do you think they'd start the game without telling them? __________________

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jamierd Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Glenrothes Scotland Posts: 291	the survey was conducted in edinburgh and glasgow though their is no information about how many in each city gave the wrong answers __________________ "It is in truth not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom -- for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself." The Declaration of Arbroath C1320

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DBII Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 1,429	"Meanwhile in the changing rooms of the German World Cup Squad..." Sounds like a set up for.... John Cleese DBII __________________ ~ Ladies and gentleman, this is your stewardess speaking. We regret any inconvenience the sudden cabin movement might have caused. This is due to periodic air pockets we encountered. There's no reason to be alarmed and we hope you enjoy the rest of your flight. By the way, is there anyone on board who knows how to fly a plane?~

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Clay_Allison Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 923	I'm a teacher in the US. I'm sure the history teachers would report the same degree of ignorance. __________________ It's always easy to find reasons why something shouldn't be done, the trick is to find ways to get it done. -- claidemore

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Civettone Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Limburg Posts: 1,219	They were between 9 and 15. So probably that 1 in 10 came from the younger part. I do NOT expect 9 year olds to know who Hitler was. They already need to know so much at that age. Just as long as they know who he is and what he stood for by the time they are 15 I am ok with this. Kris __________________

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Gnomey "World Traveller" Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Royal Deeside/St Andrews, Scotland, UK Posts: 15,218	Maximowitz. It is disturbing for sure and unfortunately it will be replicated in other places as well. For some reason I suspect that perhaps more of the Glaswegians gave the strange answers than those from Edinburgh or it could be my bias showing through... __________________ "Success is not Final, Failure is not Fatal, it is the Courage to Continue that Counts" Sir Winston Churchill "To him the People of the World Largely owe the Freedom and Liberties they Enjoy Today" Enscription on Hugh Dowding's (AOC Fighter Command 1936-40) statue in London WW2 Talk: A WW2 Discussion Forum My Photo Collections on Flickr

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BikerBabe Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Denmark. Posts: 962	Painter, dear kids - painter. And a pretty hopeless one at that. Oberstleutnant Galland was better: (Just kidding - this photo shows the painter Leo Poeten and Galland. Galland is giving the painter advice on how he wanted the painting finished). __________________ Kein Anderer als ein Jäger spürt - Den Kampf und Sieg so konzentriert, Das macht uns glücklich, stolz und froh - Der Jägerei ein Horrido! "

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RabidAlien Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Hurst, Texas Posts: 2,825	I'm having to lean towards Clive's way of thinking on this. At that age, only those who have an interest in history will probably know any sort of details. I would expect the older kids to at least know about "Blitz", "Auschwitz", and "SS", though, but I bet if you took a poll of kids between 9 and 15 on math subjects, a large percentage wouldn't be able to do middle-to-higher level math. Notably...the younger kids. __________________ Pillage, then burn. Argue not with dragons, for thou art crunchy and go well on toast.

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Amsel Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 1,736	At least the American kids aren't the only ones. __________________ http://www.northstarnational.com/200...tte/#more-2513

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