 | Hitler and Stalin| WW2 General Discuss Hitler and Stalin in the World War II - General forums; I have never heard of any attempts on Stalins life. As I said before people were under such a harsh ... |
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04-28-2005, 10:18 AM
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Country:  | I have never heard of any attempts on Stalins life. As I said before people were under such a harsh rule from him that they were too scared to even think about plotting against him.
trackend, I don't quite get what you mean by that. They pick on those weaker than themselves? You mean personally, or nationally? Germany 'picked on' all of Europe...I might just be reading you wrong.
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04-28-2005, 10:48 AM
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#32 | | Der Crewchief
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Country:  | Yes but Hitler thought that the rest of Europe were weaklings compared to Germany.
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04-28-2005, 10:54 AM
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#33 | | Master of Ewes
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Country: | well with the exeption of Russia and possibly GB, in 1939 he did have a point...........
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04-28-2005, 02:05 PM
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Country:  | Alder, I remember having heard of a rumour about a failed British (or American) commando assault to kill Hitler.
But like any failed commando operation, HQ never told anyone about it and only sent a "Your husband has been killed in the line of duty." letter to the familly. | |
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04-28-2005, 03:15 PM
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Country: | I've never heard of an actual assualt but I've heard of many British plots to kill Hitler. One such plot was to insert a sniper team into Austria, they would pick him off the one time he was alone. The time he took walking from one of his houses to the local coffee shop. He enjoyed the stroll alone through the natural calm of the area...and there they would shoot him.
The plan was cancelled after realisation that the war was almost over anyway (this was 1944) and that if they killed Hitler someone more capable might take command.
Yes, Hitler did consider the rest of Europe as weaklings but that hardly puts them as weaklings from our point of view.
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04-28-2005, 03:25 PM
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#36 | | "Shooter"
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Country:  | Maestro, it sounds like the plot of the movie "The Dirty Dozen".
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04-28-2005, 05:40 PM
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Country: | Heh... No Evan. I know what you're talking about. I saw that movie (or a movie like that) when I was younger (around 4 or 5 years old). All I remember from that movie is an American soldier being shot in the head in a house, an other one shooting at Hitler with a sniper rifle, and a Black soldier dying on his way back home.
What I was talking about was a rumour that I heard long after watching the movie. It was like Plan_D stated, a plan with a sniper to kill Hitler when he was alone. But the rumour I heard was that the mission was attempted but it failed. Was it true or was it only an urban legend ? I don't know.
It's like when Hitler commited suicide. Western Allies never saw his body, it was the Russians who found him. Is there any proof that he really killed himself or did the Russian found him alive and "framed-up" his murder to make it look like a suicide ? We'll never know. | |
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04-28-2005, 06:03 PM
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Country: | The plot I mentioned was real, it was planned and prepped for but it never actually went through as far as I know.
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04-28-2005, 07:14 PM
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#39 | | "Shooter"
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Country: | I actually read an interesting book years ago called "The Berkut" where Hitler had a double posed to be the suicide victim. The Russians were on to it and sent a hunter for him called The Berkut (The Eagle). It was quite a good read.
As far as the mission, I have not heard of one like that, but I suppose it could be. Maybe one of those things we will never know. If there was the one that plan_d is talking about, I wonder if there were others. He certainy had a line of folks for that opportunity!
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04-29-2005, 09:41 AM
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#40 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | I heard about a plot also, but ofcourse being the secret squirrel stuff I do not know if it is true.
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08-15-2005, 06:13 PM
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| I think Hitler was plainly angry. That 'red cloud' has caused countless deaths, Stalin was calculating.
I don't think killing is evil, it's human (and animal) nature. Torture and experimentation however, is.
Stalin killed to stay in power and German and Russian prospered as well as suffered under them so...
What I do know is they both had taches, tache = evil.
Hitler was also a brave soldier, Stalin wasn't. Quote: |
It's like when Hitler commited suicide. Western Allies never saw his body, it was the Russians who found him. Is there any proof that he really killed himself or did the Russian found him alive and "framed-up" his murder to make it look like a suicide ? We'll never know.
| Good point there. Also if he had a double and went to Argentina, but I doubt it?? | |
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08-15-2005, 11:12 PM
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#42 | | "Shooter"
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Originally Posted by schwarzpanzer Good point there. Also if he had a double and went to Argentina, but I doubt it?? | Hmm, maybe that's why the Brits went into the Falklands in the 1980s? 
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08-16-2005, 12:22 PM
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| I wonder how much Nazi technology the Argentinians had?
Less than the Soviets I expect?? | |
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08-16-2005, 06:16 PM
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Country: | The Pulqui II was from Kurt Tank and that's about all I've got.
Of course, evan, we went to the...ahem...Maldives...because the Argentinians are Nazis. But don't tell the world...
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08-16-2005, 06:19 PM
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#45 | | "Shooter"
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