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| View Poll Results: Did FDR Know Of The Impending Pearl Harbor Attack? | |||
| No - FDR and the War Dept had no inkling of the attack |     | 20 | 71.43% |
| Yes - FDR and the war Dept knew it was going to happen and remained silent. |    | 8 | 28.57% |
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05-16-2007, 12:28 PM
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| Senior Member  Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Orange County, CA
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| Was the impending Pearl Harbor attack known in advance? I like debunking these stupid conspiricies. Your thoughts?
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05-16-2007, 12:51 PM
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| IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO   Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Colorado, USA
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| It was evident that something was going to happen during the first week of December, 1941. From Malaysia to Pearl Harbor, there were preparations for some kind of action by US, Dutch and Commonwealth forces and there have been encounters and skirmishes with the Japanese for months. There were spottings of the Japanese invasion force that would eventually wind up in the Philippines. Did Roosevelt know something was going to happen? - YES. Did he know about the Pearl Harbor attack in advance? NO. No way would Roosevelt risk his Pacific Fleet just to get into the war. Although he might of known that the carriers were away from Peal, he had no way to know or control what would have happened to them had they been spotted by the Japanese. Another stupid conspiracy...
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05-16-2007, 12:59 PM
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| The War Dept was POSITIVE that the Japanese would attack the Philipines. It simply was not in anyones scenario's that a "2nd rate" country could put a six carrier task force and strike 1/2 way across the Pacific on strongly defended military installations.
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05-16-2007, 01:27 PM
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| The Pop-Tart Whisperer   Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: South Jersey, United States
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| Myths like this have consistantly been brought up since man first walked up to 9/11. The US were aware that Japan would do something but it is fantasy to think anyone would ALLOW it. Same thing happened for Poland and Russia during WW2. The blame game for percieved inaction goes on.
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05-16-2007, 01:44 PM
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| IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Colorado, USA
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| In my wife's grandfather's book "Surviving the Day" he talks about the intelligence traffic the days preceding Pearl Harbor. We (The US) had broken some diplomatic codes but we had no idea the Japanese were going to attack Pearl Harbor. He mentions the Philippines as a suspected target. BTW for those who might doubt this, my wife's grandfather LtCol Frank Grady was on Macarthur’s staff. We was a cryptographer and intelligence officer.
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05-16-2007, 02:41 PM
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| Der Crewchief  Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ansbach, Germany
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| I agree with FBJ on this. We knew something was going to happen, war was inevitable, but when and what we did not know.
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05-17-2007, 02:48 AM
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| Senior Member  Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Canvey Island, Essex
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| Here here guys I've never heard so much tripe, war was coming but the details where not a known factor. |
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05-17-2007, 08:48 AM
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| The Pop-Tart Whisperer Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: South Jersey, United States
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| You're wrong. Roosevelt knew everything. Nostradamus told him! 
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05-17-2007, 10:20 AM
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| I think the one who did know or maybe knew...Were the Russia's and Stalin...People some times do not understand..The Soviets were realy keeping a eye on Japan ..Do to the Jap-Russia War of some years befor..And Stalin was going to run over the world anyhow..So having the American Fleet sunk ..would of been just fine...I bet Stalin was pissed..That Japan and Germany..Started to try to take over the world ..Now he had to work with the Allieds..He wanted to "BE" the Axis.. Some say Chirchill may of knew too.. FDR should of known..But thats us Americans...Someone has to hit us hard before we see whats going on.. We would of been in it anyhow..Pearl or not.. Last edited by Haztoys; 05-17-2007 at 10:28 AM. |
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05-17-2007, 01:56 PM
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05-17-2007, 02:01 PM
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05-17-2007, 03:20 PM
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05-23-2007, 09:08 PM
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| 3 thoughts on this: 1. there something to do with the international dateline and that it was supposed to be simultaneous with a declaration of war - making it 'honourable / legal' 2. (connected to the above ) I believe FDR was a very clever man and was playing the long-game - he knew that staying out of the war too long would spell disaster / mean a 20 year war 3. history is often re-written to suit the eventual reality So I think there was an aspect of a blind eye turned / 'day of infamy' fanning of flames to achieve the ultimate goal - joining the just cause. I'm not saying that he quietly sat there thinking 'in 25 minutes time they're going to killl XXXX yanks and sink our battleships' but that realpolitik is a nasty grubby business and all great leaders have to, perhaps, muddy the waters a bit for the collective overall good. |
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05-24-2007, 11:46 PM
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| Senior Member  Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Plymouth
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 | Again, I tihnk they knew some sort of attack was coming, but didn't know where and when. After all, didn't they think Pearl was protected from air attack by the water being too shallow for torpedo attacks? The base certainly wasn't ready for an air raid, the radar setup was basic and ships were grouped close together. I can't see the government having put some of its best ships, and fuel reserves, in harms way. I have however read something similar, that Churchill knew an attack of some sort was coming, but didn't tell the Yanks as it would be a sure fire way to draw them into war. |
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05-25-2007, 12:51 AM
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| Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Orange County, CA
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| One question that needs answering (if you believe in conspiricies) is how Churchill or FDR could have known and none of their staff or ministers (cabinet members) did.
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