Rare & Crazy Panzer Projekts.

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

That is the problem they were too heavy, if anything it would have been good for moral, but not when it is stuck in the mud and getting bombed.

[schwarzpanzer]

Well I don't think it would get stuck in the mud.

Why?

Well, the Maus had very wide tracks in relation to it's width (more than 50% IIRC). It also had Porshe being forced to co-operate with Skoda, instead of bickering with Henschel for once. The result of this was better mobility than many tanks, though those huge tracks created extra rolling resistance meaning it was slower.

I've seen the Boblingen and Kummersdorf trials and they are very impressive. Mobility is more like the best Panzer, though it was much slower but also much less likely to get stuck.

The prototye Maus got buried past it's hull in mud and pulled itself out by itself!!

However the 2nd Maus test vehicle, with it's Porsche Diesel-electric (Like the Ferdinand and failed VK's) was pathetic and ended up being ferried about by the 1st Maus. The 1st Maus even pulled the 2nd Maus and a portion of it's transport train without incident!!

Though the Henshel system had it's merits, it also had huge negatives and IMHO shouldn't have been considered (sand I don't think it was) though that Ratte 3D CG model seems to have it?

I reckon the Ratte, apart from the Henschel suspension, may have been similar?


With all this though it's pathetic top speed means it is going to get bombed? (Athough AA defenses seem to be carried?)

[CharlesBronson]

Two more about ratte in....1948 ....crazy.

[reddragon]

I'd hate to come across something like that. Wonder what the speed, fuel consumption, and crew size would be? How many rounds would it carry? Why would they need something that big?

[cheddar cheese]

F*ck me!

[plan_D]

They're pieces of ****, and only people like schwarzpanzer (a tit) find them impressive and actually worth something on the battlefield.

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

I agree that they would have been worthless. To big of a target that would have been to slow and to heavy. Just aircraft would have been eneogh to take that thing out.

[schwarzpanzer]

Originally Posted by PlanD

They're pieces of sh*t, and only people like schwarzpanzer (a tit) find them impressive and actually worth something on the battlefield.

The T34 and Tiger were also flawed, but their chief advantage was their phychological impact on the enemy:

Originally Posted by reddragon

I'd hate to come across something like that.

I rest my case.

Originally Posted by DerAdler

Just aircraft would have been eneogh to take that thing out.

I think it was meant to be armed with many 37mm Flak guns, I dunno how effective they'd be?

reddragon:

Wonder what the speed,

15 mph tops at a guess.

fuel consumption,

Thirsty, but unlike other Panzers it used diesel.

and crew size would be?

It took up manpower when it was in short supply.

How many rounds would it carry?

My guess is aprox 100 rounds per turret.

Why would they need something that big?

Thats an ongoing debate...

[mosquitoman]

It's a land battleship and we all know what happens to battleships that don't have air support

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Again it would have been worthless. 15 mph, too slow, for such a big target. It would have taken up too much fuel, too much manpower, and too much recources. It would have been too big of a target and I dont care how much FLAK you put on it, it would have been an easy target for aircraft.

The T-34 and Tigers biggest impact was not the psychological impact on there ememy, it was how good the tank was.

[plan_D]

The Tiger's biggest impact was the fact it could kill anything it saw ...while actually having a chance of survival.

The biggest impact of the T-34 was it's vast numbers, which created a great combined hitting power of the armoured thrust.

No infantry man would enjoy coming up against the German massive machines ...but the bombers would love to have a go.

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Agreed Pd.

[CharlesBronson]

Pictures of projeckted Flakpanzers:

Edited, check the updated info in mi latest post.

[Soren]

Originally Posted by schwarzpanzer

All penetration data is @ 100mm range on homogenised nickel/steel vertical plate

PzVI Tiger I Ausf E and Ausf L

hull 100mm @ 66°

superstructure 100mm @ 80°

mantlet 110mm max @ vertical

gun: 88mm L56 KwK36

armour penetration:

AP (PzGr39(late) 177 mm

APCR (PzGr40) 224 mm

Sherman Firefly

hull 51mm @ 45°

superstructure 51mm @ 34°

mantlet 89mm @ round

gun: 76.2 mm L58 QF 17 Pdr

armour penetration:

APCBC 179 mm

APDS 253 mm

IS2M

hull 120mm @ 60°

superstructure 120mm @ 30°

mantlet 100mm @ round

gun: 122 mm L46 D-25

armour penetration:

APHE 145 mm

HVAP 205 mm

HEAT 200 mm

M26 Pershing

hull 76mm @ 37°

superstructure 102mm @ 44°

mantlet 114mm @ round

gun: 90 mm L52

armour penetration: APCBC 270 mm

NB: The Tiger and Firefly often added applique armour and/or spare tracklinks effectively increasing armour protection, more so on the Firefly.

Hahahaha !!

The 90mm M3 certainly NEVER EVER penetrated 270mm of armor in ANY U.S. test(or any other for that matter), and certainly not with a APCBC round !

May I ask where you have obtained these "funny" figures ?

The Highest vertical armor penetration achieved by the 90mm M3 with its standard AP round is 189mm at 100y, far from that "ridiculous" figure you posted.

Also the 122mm D25-T never had HVAP rounds.

And those HE and APHE figures for the 122mm D25-T are totally ridiculous ! Those rounds would never exceed 120mm of armor penetration. (And thats against Russian armor)

Even with its best late war AP round, the 122mm D25-T would still highly struggle to penetrate over 200mm of vertical armor at a range of only 100m ! (A penetration performance which the 88mm Kwk43 could easely duplicate at 2000m)

[CharlesBronson]

Strange combo; panzer III/IV prototype towing a experimental armored infantry cubicle, that was supposed to provide effective infantry support in the most extreme muddy and snowy conditions.