Rare & Crazy Panzer Projekts.

[Lucky13]

Where do they get these ideas???

[CharlesBronson]

I dont know, cocaine maybe ?

[delcyros]

If You ask mewhat could have been the possible max. of a tank for the germans...

The less well known Porsche proposal for a 100t. tank from mid 1942:

Dimensions:
length: 8.42m
beam: 4.82m
height: 1.8m + 1.6m for turret

armement:
1 x 105mm/65C33 with elevation restricted to 20 degrees, 45 rounds per gun, firing a 15.8 Kg APCBC with 900 mp/s muzzle velocity. rof: ~15 rpm, firing cycle is 1 round all 4 sec.
1 x MG 151/15 on turret with 250 rpg

armour:
turret face: 200mm + 50mm Blende
turret sides: 100mm declined 25 degrees
turret roof: 60mm
turret rear: 120mm declined 10 degrees

upper frontal hull: 180mm declined 35 degrees
lower frontal hull: 60mm inclined 30 degrees
upper sides: 120mm declined 15 degrees
lower sides: 60mm + 15mm Schuerzen (later added by hand)
rear: 100mm inclined 25 degrees
bottom: 30mm
roof: 50mm

Engines:
2 x 750 hp Diesel units, electic drive (Posrsche)
max.speed: 20 Km/h offroad, 38 Km/h onroad
range: up to 490 Km

crew: 5-8

weight:
04.6t.--%--guns (including breech mechanism)
11.7t.---%--mounts (including power train, hoists turntable and sights)
01.4t.--%--ammunition
03.8t.--%--fuel, lubes and spares
66.6t.--%--armour:
--18.9t.--%--turret
--47.7t.--%--hull
02.0t.--%--engine
16.3t.--%--frame, suspensions, supprts, tracks
01.0t.--%--misc. weights, equipment

weight empty: 99.2t.
weight max: 107.4t.

[Joe2]

Any pictures?

[delcyros]

Not as far as I know. It´s only from a very preliminary design stage together with other discussed designs written on a tabulary page which can be found in the Breisgau archive.The proposal never had a chance because the difference in striking power between 105mm/65 and 88mmKWK43 was not large enough to justify the horrible weight. It´s entirely possible that it never was seriously intended to be designed rather than for comparison.

[CharlesBronson]

armement:
1 x 105mm/65C33 with elevation restricted to 20 degrees, 45 rounds per gun, firing a 15.8 Kg APCBC with 900 mp/s muzzle velocity. rof: ~15 rpm, firing cycle is 1 round all 4 sec.
1 x MG 151/15 on turret with 250 rpg

Interesting, to have a MG-151/15 in the turret gave a good antipersonel-antiaircraft capabilities, better than a Browning M2 .50

Sturmgeschutz 27t - Porsche E-25 Jagdpanzer design

[Joe2]

Originally Posted by CharlesBronson

I dont know, cocaine maybe ?

Love that picture

[HealzDevo]

What German tank is the one behind the trains looking like it is being pulled along? Also it looks like it scraping along the sides of the bridge is it? Massive looking tank. Don't think you could really get much bigger could you?

[CharlesBronson]

What German tank is the one behind the trains looking like it is being pulled along? Also it looks like it scraping along the sides of the bridge is it? Massive looking tank. Don't think you could really get much bigger could you?

The Grotte P-1000 ratte obviously, check page 21 for more pictures.

Multipurpose Panzer:





Panzer Tracts 20-1 Paper Panzers - Panzerkampfwagen & Jagdpanzers

[HealzDevo]

Of course, must have had some sort of automatic loading system because I wouldn't want to be lifting up shells to a gun that big. The big WW2 brass artillery shells from Papua New Guinea we have at home are heavy enough. They are about 75mm I think...

[CharlesBronson]

Verdeja Light Tank:

A weird tank desing, the spanish "Carro de combate Verdeja". This vehicle was an attemp by the spanish army in order to get an economic AFV, The engine was placed at front a Ford 6 cilinders with 125hp, The armor vary between 15 to 30mm. The main gun was a high velocity 45mm AT-45, a copy of the russian gun in the T-26. The 2 man turret carry 2 coaxially monted Oviedo 7 mm Mauser Mgs. Another could be placed in the top for AA defense.



in here in comparative test against a captured soviet T-26.

[CharlesBronson]

Continue from above....









Scans Revista Armas nº 281.

[Trautloft]

these look like they studied the probably captured soviet tanks like BT or t-26 and copied it

[genkideskan]

Hello,

there was a P 1500 project too- Interesting is the E- 100 series.

Now showing up at model shows as plastic models, they are very impressive tanks using

the the 12,8 cm KWK 44 (82) and a 7.5cm as coax.

The pic are made at Henschel showing the hull on an railroad car and the

rolled up tracks, the back of an E 100 in the background.

The tank hull was completed and was shipped to England together with spare parts and

uncomplete sectiones for tests.



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[CharlesBronson]

these look like they studied the probably captured soviet tanks like BT or t-26 and copied it

Probably, after some years of experimentation the Verdeja I and II were left aside and Spain bought some Panzer IV.

Hello,

there was a P 1500 project too- Interesting is the E- 100 series.

Now showing up at model shows as plastic models, they are very impressive tanks using

the the 12,8 cm KWK 44 (82) and a 7.5cm as coax.

The pic are made at Henschel showing the hull on an railroad car and the

rolled up tracks, the back of an E 100 in the background.

The tank hull was completed and was shipped to England together with spare parts and

uncomplete sectiones for tests.

Yeap, the P-1500.. I think I ve posted a picture in he early pages, nice model of the E-1200 by the way, funny thing that was less complicated than Maus, but the Maus was choosen instead.