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Old 06-18-2008, 02:26 PM   #376
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As for 12.8 cm guns with a muzzle brake the only one was the dual field gun/Pak version made in very limited numbers at the wars end,
Hello m kenny,

Hmm.. 12.8 dual field gun sounds very interesting, would you have some datas or photos for me, thanks

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Old 06-18-2008, 06:49 PM   #377
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Here is a model ...

Wettringer-Modellbauforum | Bauberichte | Im Bau: 12,8cm Pak 44 Kruppversion

a version using the 8,8cm Pak exist too.

12,8 cm Kanone 81/3 (1/35)

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Thanks for the link, but the pictures can’t be opened. I guess that -m kenny-was referring to the below picture. But that was a AA gun not a anti tank or field gun, and it also does not feature a muzzle break.

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Old 06-19-2008, 05:03 AM   #379
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No, he didnt refer to the 12,8cm Flak - the Pak is well known and a Googel search will bring you informations.
The guns where made in numbers of 3 for testshoots. The idea was to make them mobile on available carriages and to do this quick. So the project drawings show mostly the PAK guns with muzzle brakes.
The Krupp mounts needs a long time to buildt, so the gun was simply put into an available 8,8 Pak mount with improved raised elevation for multi pupose use.
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Thanks for the pictures.

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Old 06-26-2008, 05:22 PM   #381
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Mittlerer Kamfpanzer für Ausland:

Between 1936-39 Krupp evaluated the possibilities to manufacture a special design for foreign sales. The objetive of this design was to obtain a final product better than the tanks sold at that time ( Renault R-35, Skoda TNH, Vickers Light and medium).

However the German High Command gave strict order that not to use the latest development in Gunsight, engine cooling, armored hinges and vision ports technology.
Despite the bureocratic shorcomings the tank was a sound design with a maximum armor of 25 mm at the frontal plates and 18 mm at the sides.

M.K.A as completed in january 1940.



The best characteristic was the Krupp specially designed a new 45 mm gun. In fact the muzzle velocity of 750 m/s allowed to penetrate more armor than the gun of the main battle tank in Germany in that time, the Panzer III. This weapon was based in the one used by the russian T-26 tanks captured by the Legion Condor in the Spanish Civil war.

In his final shape the M.K.A was proposed as alternative design for friendly countries like Italy, Japan, nad Spain ( particulaty in japan the purchase of the M.K.A would be a great improvement over the local designs)

A single prototype was completed in january 1940, no further development was pursued because the needs of the german tanks forces for standar panzerkampfwagens.

Mittlerer Kamfpanzer für ausland, medium tank for export.

Weight: 12.100 kg.

Lenght: 5,1 meters.

width: 2,38 meters.

Armor thickness: max 25 mm, min 10 mm.

Engine : Maybach 6 cilinders HL 76 190 hp.

Speed. 42 km/h
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Quite an interesting tank design. Amazing the Japanese were able to get tank forces considering how bad a lot of their tanks were...
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Another image of the Krupp s MKA.



The cartrigde case lenght of the experimental Krupp 4,5 cm K.w.K was 323 mm.
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Panzerkampfwagen III ausf K.

An early attemp to improve the firepower of the workhorse of Panzertruppen.
The 15 december 1941 in a meeting between Krupp representatives and the Heereswaffeamt some agreement was made to prepare drawings of a Pz III with the high velocity 7,5 cm L 43 gun.

Drawings and calculated weights were completed in january 1942, however given the several changes that should be made and the overweight of the new turret to the torsion bars on Pz III chasiss caused some doubts about the ausf K design.



Finally the HWA cancelled the project to use a K.w.K 40 in Panzer III in march 1942. The fabrication of this weapon was devoted to the Pz IV ausf G and the Stug III.
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I wouldn't have used any of the Japanese tanks in battle, would you? They really seem quite light. Even what the Japanese call a heavy tank is what would be considered a medium tank in the European theatre in weight...
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The only decent japanese tank was the Type 3 Chi-nu (166 made)






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It had a 75mm gun with the same muzzle energy as the Sherman M4a1 and welded 60 mm armor.

There was also an japanese "panzer projekt", a heavy tank like the Tiger, the Chi-ri, very interesting by the way, it woul use a 37mm as well a 105 or a 88 mm main gun in turret, ill post more about it later.
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In here you got more about the type 5, there was a page in german with more info but does not seems to work now.

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True but even then with that Japanese one, didn't the US Shermans have better penetration and ability to resist being knocked out quickly than that tank?
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In here you got more about the type 5, there was a page in german with more info but does not seems to work now.
experimenteller Typ 5 Panzer Chi-Ri

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