Schwarzpanzer's sources - Aircraft of World War II

Soren · 06-28-2006, 07:40 PM

A picture of that Tiger Ausf.B's frontal armor having been penetrated would be a welcome treat to begin with!

(Sorry to the rest of you, but I have just had enough!)

plan_D · 06-28-2006, 07:42 PM

Any of his sources would be a welcome treat! I haven't had one in all the time I've been discussing with him.

Gnomey · 06-28-2006, 07:47 PM

We have all seen Battlefield.ru but to see some other of his sources would be nice as well as that picture you refer to Soren.

plan_D · 06-28-2006, 07:51 PM

I've seen a picture of a King Tiger's frontal armour that's been pierced. I don't have it. But I do know the story behind it, and it wasn't pierced in combat. The said King Tiger was turret #502 and was used as target practice, and shot to pieces by varying calibres and cannon of the Soviet inventory. In the picture all the pot marks around the eventual hole are clearly present.

Erich · 06-28-2006, 08:09 PM

at what, 50 yards ? and what calibre's ? 100mm and on up I suppose

Soren · 06-28-2006, 08:11 PM

Yep, hit over 100 times all over with anything from 50-152mm guns. It was truly shot to pieces. And the 100mm D-10 projectile which penetrated the front turret hit right where the gun-sight was situated, one of the weakest spots on any tank.

plan_D · 06-28-2006, 08:23 PM

The cannon most used, I've heard, was the A-19 122mm cannon. Also, the first cannon to fire on Berlin.

Soren · 06-28-2006, 08:43 PM

Yes, that is true.

Henk · 06-28-2006, 11:20 PM

Here is the link to that site where they show the damage to the hull and turret of the King Tiger. One guy said that this proved that this proves that the King Tiger was not really a great tank. We all know it was very heavy and had very technical problems when it came to the engine.

http://www.battlefield.ru/index.php?...id=123&lang=en

Gnomey · 06-29-2006, 05:35 AM

Link is dead... It was still a tank to be reconed with on the battlefield despite its mechanical problems.

the lancaster kicks ass · 06-29-2006, 05:50 AM

and the fact it was used mostly in Western Europe with large road networks meant weight was less of an issue..........

Soren · 06-29-2006, 02:00 PM

Henk that is the link to the Russian test where litterally hundreds of rounds had been thrown at the tank even before the real testing began - In truth it is worth absolutely nothing.

Erich · 06-29-2006, 05:41 PM

Lanc it was mostly used on the Ost front .......... and took on all Soviet armor with ease

Henk · 06-29-2006, 07:48 PM

It worked last night, ag well. Soren they stripped the tank hull and turret of everything and then took it to the test ground and shot it up like the holes in cheese.

Soren · 06-30-2006, 07:43 AM

You certainly can't accuse them for being too thorough !

06-28-2006, 07:40 PM	#1
Soren Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 6,116	Schwarzpanzer's sources A picture of that Tiger Ausf.B's frontal armor having been penetrated would be a welcome treat to begin with! (Sorry to the rest of you, but I have just had enough!) __________________ It was like being pushed by an Angel! - Adolf Galland I'm an educated engineer, so I love being technical and appraising of great inventions. So if you think I am being biased about something: Tell me! Then you'll probably find out that I am not Last edited by Soren; 06-28-2006 at 07:42 PM.

06-28-2006, 07:42 PM	#2
plan_D Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 11,978	Any of his sources would be a welcome treat! I haven't had one in all the time I've been discussing with him. __________________ "When you go home tomorrow, don't expect anyone to know what you have been through. Even if they did know, most people probably wouldn't care anyway. Some of you may get the medals you deserve, many more of you will not. But remember this, all of you are now members of the front-line club, and that is the most exclusive club in the world." - Lt. Col. Matthew Maer CO 1st Battalion, the Princess of Wale's Royal Regiment. Camp Abu Naji, Oct. 2004 To those in that club.

06-28-2006, 07:47 PM	#3
Gnomey "World Traveller" Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Royal Deeside/St Andrews, Scotland, UK Posts: 15,224	We have all seen Battlefield.ru but to see some other of his sources would be nice as well as that picture you refer to Soren. __________________ "Success is not Final, Failure is not Fatal, it is the Courage to Continue that Counts" Sir Winston Churchill "To him the People of the World Largely owe the Freedom and Liberties they Enjoy Today" Enscription on Hugh Dowding's (AOC Fighter Command 1936-40) statue in London WW2 Talk: A WW2 Discussion Forum My Photo Collections on Flickr

06-28-2006, 07:51 PM	#4
plan_D Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 11,978	I've seen a picture of a King Tiger's frontal armour that's been pierced. I don't have it. But I do know the story behind it, and it wasn't pierced in combat. The said King Tiger was turret #502 and was used as target practice, and shot to pieces by varying calibres and cannon of the Soviet inventory. In the picture all the pot marks around the eventual hole are clearly present. __________________ "When you go home tomorrow, don't expect anyone to know what you have been through. Even if they did know, most people probably wouldn't care anyway. Some of you may get the medals you deserve, many more of you will not. But remember this, all of you are now members of the front-line club, and that is the most exclusive club in the world." - Lt. Col. Matthew Maer CO 1st Battalion, the Princess of Wale's Royal Regiment. Camp Abu Naji, Oct. 2004 To those in that club.

06-28-2006, 08:11 PM	#6
Soren Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 6,116	Yep, hit over 100 times all over with anything from 50-152mm guns. It was truly shot to pieces. And the 100mm D-10 projectile which penetrated the front turret hit right where the gun-sight was situated, one of the weakest spots on any tank. __________________ It was like being pushed by an Angel! - Adolf Galland I'm an educated engineer, so I love being technical and appraising of great inventions. So if you think I am being biased about something: Tell me! Then you'll probably find out that I am not Last edited by Soren; 06-28-2006 at 08:15 PM.

06-28-2006, 08:09 PM	#5
Erich the old Sage Join Date: May 2004 Location: Platonic Sphere Posts: 10,775	at what, 50 yards ? and what calibre's ? 100mm and on up I suppose __________________ Rip it up !

06-28-2006, 08:23 PM	#7
plan_D Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 11,978	The cannon most used, I've heard, was the A-19 122mm cannon. Also, the first cannon to fire on Berlin. __________________ "When you go home tomorrow, don't expect anyone to know what you have been through. Even if they did know, most people probably wouldn't care anyway. Some of you may get the medals you deserve, many more of you will not. But remember this, all of you are now members of the front-line club, and that is the most exclusive club in the world." - Lt. Col. Matthew Maer CO 1st Battalion, the Princess of Wale's Royal Regiment. Camp Abu Naji, Oct. 2004 To those in that club.

06-28-2006, 08:43 PM	#8
Soren Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 6,116	Yes, that is true. __________________ It was like being pushed by an Angel! - Adolf Galland I'm an educated engineer, so I love being technical and appraising of great inventions. So if you think I am being biased about something: Tell me! Then you'll probably find out that I am not

06-28-2006, 11:20 PM	#9
Henk Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: George - South Africa Posts: 2,780	Here is the link to that site where they show the damage to the hull and turret of the King Tiger. One guy said that this proved that this proves that the King Tiger was not really a great tank. We all know it was very heavy and had very technical problems when it came to the engine. http://www.battlefield.ru/index.php?...id=123&lang=en __________________ The ultimate revolution in aircraft designs during WW2

06-29-2006, 05:35 AM	#10
Gnomey "World Traveller" Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Royal Deeside/St Andrews, Scotland, UK Posts: 15,224	Link is dead... It was still a tank to be reconed with on the battlefield despite its mechanical problems. __________________ "Success is not Final, Failure is not Fatal, it is the Courage to Continue that Counts" Sir Winston Churchill "To him the People of the World Largely owe the Freedom and Liberties they Enjoy Today" Enscription on Hugh Dowding's (AOC Fighter Command 1936-40) statue in London WW2 Talk: A WW2 Discussion Forum My Photo Collections on Flickr

06-29-2006, 05:50 AM	#11
the lancaster kicks ass Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 19,945	and the fact it was used mostly in Western Europe with large road networks meant weight was less of an issue.......... __________________ "Reminds me of the time I sank the Tirpitz" comments a Spitfire pilot, "One pass of course, old boy."

06-29-2006, 02:00 PM	#12
Soren Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 6,116	Henk that is the link to the Russian test where litterally hundreds of rounds had been thrown at the tank even before the real testing began - In truth it is worth absolutely nothing. __________________ It was like being pushed by an Angel! - Adolf Galland I'm an educated engineer, so I love being technical and appraising of great inventions. So if you think I am being biased about something: Tell me! Then you'll probably find out that I am not

06-29-2006, 05:41 PM	#13
Erich the old Sage Join Date: May 2004 Location: Platonic Sphere Posts: 10,775	Lanc it was mostly used on the Ost front .......... and took on all Soviet armor with ease __________________ Rip it up !

06-29-2006, 07:48 PM	#14
Henk Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: George - South Africa Posts: 2,780	It worked last night, ag well. Soren they stripped the tank hull and turret of everything and then took it to the test ground and shot it up like the holes in cheese. __________________ The ultimate revolution in aircraft designs during WW2

06-30-2006, 07:43 AM	#15
Soren Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 6,116	You certainly can't accuse them for being too thorough ! __________________ It was like being pushed by an Angel! - Adolf Galland I'm an educated engineer, so I love being technical and appraising of great inventions. So if you think I am being biased about something: Tell me! Then you'll probably find out that I am not

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