Sea battles.... - Aircraft of World War II

Lucky13 · 07-07-2007, 03:09 PM

On a one vs one slugger match, who would come back home to port in better shape, USS West Virginia or Bismarck?

ToughOmbre · 07-07-2007, 03:45 PM

Even though BB-48 was older technology, her 16 inch rifles, better armor and underwater protection would probably give her a slight advantage. Against an Iowa class, the Bismarck, or any other BB for that matter, would not stand a chance. Including the Yamato.

mosquitoman · 07-07-2007, 04:20 PM

The only time to discount the Yamato and Musashi is when there's aircraft about IMO.

ToughOmbre · 07-07-2007, 04:53 PM

The far superior fire control systems of the American BBs would be the determining factor. As long as they didn't get too close to those 18.1 inch rifles, they would score many more hits at range than the Yamato or Musashi.

mosquitoman · 07-07-2007, 04:55 PM

True, but one lucky hit can always change everything, especially with guns that size.

ToughOmbre · 07-07-2007, 04:57 PM

Luck is always a factor, but I would rather depend on fire control than luck.

mosquitoman · 07-07-2007, 05:10 PM

Very true

mkloby · 07-07-2007, 05:21 PM

At close range, the Bismark would likely have the advantage due to her WWI style armor scheme combined with guns that threw light shells at high velocity. At longer ranges, where the heavy plunging shell is superior, West Viriginia would have the advantage.

syscom3 · 07-07-2007, 05:31 PM

Bismark.

Delcyros has some convincing figures to show how good the armor type and the ptotection scheme was.

renrich · 07-07-2007, 05:45 PM

The Iowa class was designed to withstand 18 inch gunfire.

ToughOmbre · 07-07-2007, 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by syscom3

Delcyros has some convincing figure to show how good the armor type and scheme was.

Her armor was pretty good, but not quite as good as the American BBs. And Bismarck's underwater protection was lacking.

Lucky13 · 07-07-2007, 06:09 PM

How far would West Virginia's main armament fire compared to Bismarck's?

timshatz · 07-08-2007, 09:45 AM

Bismark is faster, had excellent fire control for 1941 and probably fired faster. I'd give it to the Bismark in 1941. Later in the war? Unknown. WeeVee got upgraded and Bismark got sunk.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 07-08-2007, 10:00 AM

Gotta go with the Bismarck in this scenerio.

As syscom pointed out her armour was better than most people would like to admit.

She had excellent underwater protection except for the rudder area (but no ships had armour to protect the rudder).

Her armament was good eneogh.

Her range finder and fire control was excellent for the time she was in service.

Later in the war she would have been outclassed by the Iowas.

In this scenerio though I have to go with the Bismarck.

syscom3 · 07-08-2007, 11:21 AM

The WV was designed in WW1. Its armour protection scheme was a reflection of design philosophies of that the pre war era.

The Bismark was better protected and probably had better damage control designs simply for being a product of the 1930's where the engineers had a better understanding of ballistics and damage control.

I'd give the advantage in every category to the Bismark

07-07-2007, 03:09 PM	#1
Lucky13 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A Swede living in Glasgow, Scotland Posts: 15,144	Sea battles.... On a one vs one slugger match, who would come back home to port in better shape, USS West Virginia or Bismarck? __________________ JAN "Felicis Tredecim" "I´m going back to the front to relax" "THE BLACK CATS FLIES TONIGHT" "Find your enemy and shoot him down - everything else is unimportant!" "When you're out of F-8's... You're out of fighters!"

07-07-2007, 03:45 PM	#2
ToughOmbre Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Jersey Shore Posts: 3,233	Even though BB-48 was older technology, her 16 inch rifles, better armor and underwater protection would probably give her a slight advantage. Against an Iowa class, the Bismarck, or any other BB for that matter, would not stand a chance. Including the Yamato. __________________ *“Let's get Enterprise* and Hornet turned into the wind."**

07-07-2007, 04:20 PM	#3
mosquitoman Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Saffron Walden/Sheffield Posts: 2,991	The only time to discount the Yamato and Musashi is when there's aircraft about IMO. __________________ When you realise that the light at the end of the tunnel is actually an oncoming train, you know it's time to run for your life

07-07-2007, 04:53 PM	#4
ToughOmbre Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Jersey Shore Posts: 3,233	The far superior fire control systems of the American BBs would be the determining factor. As long as they didn't get too close to those 18.1 inch rifles, they would score many more hits at range than the Yamato or Musashi. __________________ *“Let's get Enterprise* and Hornet turned into the wind."**

07-07-2007, 04:55 PM	#5
mosquitoman Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Saffron Walden/Sheffield Posts: 2,991	True, but one lucky hit can always change everything, especially with guns that size. __________________ When you realise that the light at the end of the tunnel is actually an oncoming train, you know it's time to run for your life

07-07-2007, 04:57 PM	#6
ToughOmbre Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Jersey Shore Posts: 3,233	Luck is always a factor, but I would rather depend on fire control than luck. __________________ *“Let's get Enterprise* and Hornet turned into the wind."**

07-07-2007, 05:10 PM	#7
mosquitoman Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Saffron Walden/Sheffield Posts: 2,991	Very true __________________ When you realise that the light at the end of the tunnel is actually an oncoming train, you know it's time to run for your life

07-07-2007, 05:21 PM	#8
mkloby Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Jacksonville, NC Posts: 3,562	At close range, the Bismark would likely have the advantage due to her WWI style armor scheme combined with guns that threw light shells at high velocity. At longer ranges, where the heavy plunging shell is superior, West Viriginia would have the advantage. __________________ If the Army and the Navy ever look on heaven's scenes, they will find the streets are guarded by United States Marines

07-07-2007, 05:31 PM	#9
syscom3 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 10,283	Bismark. Delcyros has some convincing figures to show how good the armor type and the ptotection scheme was. __________________ "Pilot to copilot..... what are those mountain goats doing up here in the clouds?" Last edited by syscom3; 07-07-2007 at 07:42 PM.

07-07-2007, 05:45 PM	#10
renrich Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Montrose, Colorado Posts: 3,271	The Iowa class was designed to withstand 18 inch gunfire.

07-07-2007, 06:09 PM	#12
Lucky13 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A Swede living in Glasgow, Scotland Posts: 15,144	How far would West Virginia's main armament fire compared to Bismarck's? __________________ JAN "Felicis Tredecim" "I´m going back to the front to relax" "THE BLACK CATS FLIES TONIGHT" "Find your enemy and shoot him down - everything else is unimportant!" "When you're out of F-8's... You're out of fighters!"

07-08-2007, 09:45 AM	#13
timshatz Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Phila, Pa Posts: 3,446	Bismark is faster, had excellent fire control for 1941 and probably fired faster. I'd give it to the Bismark in 1941. Later in the war? Unknown. WeeVee got upgraded and Bismark got sunk.

07-08-2007, 10:00 AM	#14
DerAdlerIstGelandet Der Crewchief Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ansbach, Germany Posts: 33,152	Gotta go with the Bismarck in this scenerio. As syscom pointed out her armour was better than most people would like to admit. She had excellent underwater protection except for the rudder area (but no ships had armour to protect the rudder). Her armament was good eneogh. Her range finder and fire control was excellent for the time she was in service. Later in the war she would have been outclassed by the Iowas. In this scenerio though I have to go with the Bismarck. __________________ fly boy:"isnt that the first jet bomber becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles"[/I]

07-08-2007, 11:21 AM	#15
syscom3 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 10,283	The WV was designed in WW1. Its armour protection scheme was a reflection of design philosophies of that the pre war era. The Bismark was better protected and probably had better damage control designs simply for being a product of the 1930's where the engineers had a better understanding of ballistics and damage control. I'd give the advantage in every category to the Bismark __________________ "Pilot to copilot..... what are those mountain goats doing up here in the clouds?"

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