Theater of operations.... - Aircraft of World War II

Lucky13 · 06-14-2007, 02:21 PM

Which one would you say was the toughest on men and material?

FLYBOYJ · 06-14-2007, 02:33 PM

ETO - Russian Front hands down...

Catch22 · 06-14-2007, 03:22 PM

Agreed. The extreme temperatures -hot and cold- just ravaged anything they touched. A close second in my books is the PTO, because you had monsoons, hurricanes etc as well as extreme heat and nasty jungle diseases.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 06-14-2007, 05:42 PM

Agreed with FBJ. Russian Front of the ETO for reasons that I stated in another thread just like this one.

syscom3 · 06-14-2007, 06:02 PM

CBI, because of the climatic effects on the men and material, its being then end of a very long logistics tail, and it not being in the public eye.

Bernhart · 06-14-2007, 06:10 PM

aleutians I'm thinking, you including that in Pacific?

renrich · 06-14-2007, 07:58 PM

CBI, read John Masters' "Road Past Mandalay" He was one of the Chindits. My father in law was Chief of Surgery for the US army in CBI and he said the diseases over there were horrendous not to mention the climatic conditions. Had a friend that flew in that theatre and he said they were forced down and in two days they were all anemic from the leeches feeding on them.

pbfoot · 06-14-2007, 09:08 PM

Still prefer that weather to -20 no trees to stop the wind as it comes over the steppes. On a side note I've been trying to find out what the temp was in the Battle of the Bulge and from what i can see it wasn't at all that cold like the Eastern front or the Choisin Resovoir

Catch22 · 06-14-2007, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by pbfoot

Still prefer that weather to -20 no trees to stop the wind as it comes over the steppes. On a side note I've been trying to find out what the temp was in the Battle of the Bulge and from what i can see it wasn't at all that cold like the Eastern front or the Choisin Resovoir

It WAS cold, but they weren't there for 3 winters, nor was it quite as cold.

renrich · 06-14-2007, 10:29 PM

Yes and the weather in Russia was cold but that was only part of the year. The weather in the CBI was bad all the time and the diseases were omnipresent.

syscom3 · 06-14-2007, 10:33 PM

More than one allied or Japanese soldier broke down mentally from the heat, humidity, mud, insects and above all.... the rain!

Sometimes in the monsoon season (and especially in the mountains of the SW Pacific), it could rain continually for days......constant rain, never ending.....

FLYBOYJ · 06-14-2007, 10:52 PM

Folks I could tell you first hand. I worked on aircraft in the extreme heat and humidity - Okinawa, Thailand (2 times once during the rainy season), Mojave Airport (the 2nd hottest place on earth) and Bermuda Dunes (The hottest place on earth) Botswana (I was there in the "winter, it was pretty mild) and in the bitter cold (here in Colorado, PEI, Winnipeg and in the Sierra Nevadas) and although my stints were relatively short and I was in a civilian peacetime atmosphere, the cold by far is the worse to work on aircraft in, especially if you're trouble shooting something that requires you to be outside next to the aircraft while its turning.

syscom3 · 06-15-2007, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ

Folks I could tell you first hand. I worked on aircraft in the extreme heat and humidity - Okinawa, Thailand (2 times once during the rainy season), Mojave Airport (the 2nd hottest place on earth) and Bermuda Dunes (The hottest place on earth) Botswana (I was there in the "winter, it was pretty mild) and in the bitter cold (here in Colorado, PEI, Winnipeg and in the Sierra Nevadas) and although my stints were relatively short and I was in a civilian peacetime atmosphere, the cold by far is the worse to work on aircraft in, especially if you're trouble shooting something that requires you to be outside next to the aircraft while its turning.

The cold could be brutal.... but its nothing compared to being tormented by hordes of disease carrying insects, and parasites in your gut.

FLYBOYJ · 06-15-2007, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by syscom3

The cold could be brutal.... but its nothing compared to being tormented by hordes of disease carrying insects, and parasites in your gut.

I think I'd take malaria over frostbite...

Gnomey · 06-15-2007, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ

I think I'd take malaria over frostbite...

I would to (and I have had malaria)...

The Eastern Front for me as well the combination of the hot summer and cold winters (as well as the mud in the spring thaw) just combines to make it the worst for me.

View Poll Results: Which was the toughest?
ETO - Eastern Front/Russia	7	63.64%
ETO - Meditteranian	0	0%
North Africa	0	0%
ETO - Western Front	0	0%
PTO	1	9.09%
CBI	3	27.27%
Voters: 11. You may not vote on this poll

06-14-2007, 02:21 PM	#1
Lucky13 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A Swede living in Glasgow, Scotland Posts: 15,144	Theater of operations.... Which one would you say was the toughest on men and material? __________________ JAN "Felicis Tredecim" "I´m going back to the front to relax" "THE BLACK CATS FLIES TONIGHT" "Find your enemy and shoot him down - everything else is unimportant!" "When you're out of F-8's... You're out of fighters!"

06-14-2007, 02:33 PM	#2
FLYBOYJ IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Colorado, USA Posts: 16,051	ETO - Russian Front hands down... __________________ "IF ITS RED OR DUSTY, DON'T TOUCH IT"

06-14-2007, 05:42 PM	#4
DerAdlerIstGelandet Der Crewchief Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ansbach, Germany Posts: 33,152	Agreed with FBJ. Russian Front of the ETO for reasons that I stated in another thread just like this one. __________________ fly boy:"isnt that the first jet bomber becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles"[/I]

06-14-2007, 06:02 PM	#5
syscom3 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 10,283	CBI, because of the climatic effects on the men and material, its being then end of a very long logistics tail, and it not being in the public eye. __________________ "Pilot to copilot..... what are those mountain goats doing up here in the clouds?"

06-14-2007, 03:22 PM	#3
Catch22 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Posts: 4,293	Agreed. The extreme temperatures -hot and cold- just ravaged anything they touched. A close second in my books is the PTO, because you had monsoons, hurricanes etc as well as extreme heat and nasty jungle diseases.

06-14-2007, 06:10 PM	#6
Bernhart Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 202	aleutians I'm thinking, you including that in Pacific?

06-14-2007, 07:58 PM	#7
renrich Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Montrose, Colorado Posts: 3,271	CBI, read John Masters' "Road Past Mandalay" He was one of the Chindits. My father in law was Chief of Surgery for the US army in CBI and he said the diseases over there were horrendous not to mention the climatic conditions. Had a friend that flew in that theatre and he said they were forced down and in two days they were all anemic from the leeches feeding on them.

06-14-2007, 09:08 PM	#8
pbfoot Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: niagara falls Posts: 5,586	Still prefer that weather to -20 no trees to stop the wind as it comes over the steppes. On a side note I've been trying to find out what the temp was in the Battle of the Bulge and from what i can see it wasn't at all that cold like the Eastern front or the Choisin Resovoir

06-14-2007, 10:29 PM	#10
renrich Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Montrose, Colorado Posts: 3,271	Yes and the weather in Russia was cold but that was only part of the year. The weather in the CBI was bad all the time and the diseases were omnipresent.

06-14-2007, 10:33 PM	#11
syscom3 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 10,283	More than one allied or Japanese soldier broke down mentally from the heat, humidity, mud, insects and above all.... the rain! Sometimes in the monsoon season (and especially in the mountains of the SW Pacific), it could rain continually for days......constant rain, never ending..... __________________ "Pilot to copilot..... what are those mountain goats doing up here in the clouds?" Last edited by syscom3; 06-15-2007 at 12:08 AM.

06-14-2007, 10:52 PM	#12
FLYBOYJ IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Colorado, USA Posts: 16,051	Folks I could tell you first hand. I worked on aircraft in the extreme heat and humidity - Okinawa, Thailand (2 times once during the rainy season), Mojave Airport (the 2nd hottest place on earth) and Bermuda Dunes (The hottest place on earth) Botswana (I was there in the "winter, it was pretty mild) and in the bitter cold (here in Colorado, PEI, Winnipeg and in the Sierra Nevadas) and although my stints were relatively short and I was in a civilian peacetime atmosphere, the cold by far is the worse to work on aircraft in, especially if you're trouble shooting something that requires you to be outside next to the aircraft while its turning. __________________ "IF ITS RED OR DUSTY, DON'T TOUCH IT"

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