Two Japanese Talking A-Bombs - Aircraft of World War II

ToughOmbre · 07-01-2007, 12:27 AM

Defense Minister Fumio Kyuma said the dropping of atomic bombs on Japan by the United States during World War II was an inevitable way to end the war, a news report said Saturday.

"I understand that the bombing ended the war, and I think that it couldn't be helped," Kyodo News agency quoted Kyuma as saying in a speech at a university in Chiba, just east of Tokyo.

Kyuma's remarks drew immediate criticism from Japanese atomic bomb survivors.

"The U.S. justifies the bombings saying they saved many American lives," said Nobuo Miyake, 78, director-general of a group of victims living in Tokyo. "It's outrageous for a Japanese politician to voice such thinking. Japan is a victim."

Japan a victim? Don't think the survivors of the Bataan Death March would agree.

102first_hussars · 07-01-2007, 12:55 AM

This type of thing can be argued to death with no progress

evangilder · 07-01-2007, 01:18 AM

Ask the people of China, Korea, the Philippines and many others if Japan was the victim...

Maybe if the young Japanese were taught the truth about what happened, they might have a better understanding.

FLYBOYJ · 07-01-2007, 01:22 AM

I say fly "FIFI" over Hiroshima and Nagasaki every August. F#ck em...

Nobuo Miyake apparently was a survivor - well you could kiss my American ass, I hope your kidneys glow when you piss!

evangilder · 07-01-2007, 01:25 AM

Or something burns when he pees....Wait, that might just be the clap.

FLYBOYJ · 07-01-2007, 01:25 AM

102first_hussars · 07-01-2007, 01:34 AM

Graeme · 07-01-2007, 02:54 AM

[QUOTE=FLYBOYJ;259340]I say fly "FIFI" over Hiroshima and Nagasaki every August. F#ck em...

Was it the Confederate Air Force that had a display (mid 1970s?) where a 'mushroom cloud' pyrotechnic was exploded in unison with FIFI's flyover- which caused a stir in Japan and America?
Also vaguely remember reading about a Smithsonian display of a partial(?) B-29 minus the history of Hiroshima and Nagasaki because the Institute didn't want to offend the Japanese (1995?)- which also caused a stir.
Political correctness on both sides of the Pacific?

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 07-01-2007, 10:34 AM

**** em. They bitch because we wanted to end the war. What about all the crimes they commited. They dont teach that to there own people. They have never learned from there mistakes.

I am going to stop now before I say things I should not say.

FLYBOYJ · 07-01-2007, 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Graeme

Was it the Confederate Air Force that had a display (mid 1970s?) where a 'mushroom cloud' pyrotechnic was exploded in unison with FIFI's flyover- which caused a stir in Japan and America?
Also vaguely remember reading about a Smithsonian display of a partial(?) B-29 minus the history of Hiroshima and Nagasaki because the Institute didn't want to offend the Japanese (1995?)- which also caused a stir.
Political correctness on both sides of the Pacific?

Correct on both counts but I think the Smithsonian reversed its decision. During the 1990s Bill Clinton and "Political Correctiveness" was the order of the day.

Cyrano · 07-01-2007, 10:47 AM

The Japanese should accept the real history and start their own healing process, just as the Germans have done for the past 60 years. Same thing for Russia, down there Stalin is still a hero and the red army "liberated" the Baltic countries from their capitalist and democratic leaders...

trackend · 07-01-2007, 10:53 AM

From my old mans book Bills War "The dropping of the atomic bombs to those of us who had survived years of the war and were waiting to be ordered to land on the shores of japan meant that many thousands of men who would have died carrying out those orders would be able to go home. No wonder they cheered when they heard the news. Its easy to pass judgment sitting at home in an armchair. I believe that a great many more Jap lives would have been sacrificed had the invasion of the Japanese mainland gone ahead".

ToughOmbre · 07-01-2007, 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet

**** em. They bitch because we wanted to end the war. What about all the crimes they commited. They dont teach that to there own people. They have never learned from there mistakes.

I am going to stop now before I say things I should not say.

What bothers me more is when Americans (usually libs) argue the fact that the bombs did not have to be dropped. I guess as long as there is history there will also be "revisionists".

Cyrano · 07-01-2007, 11:16 AM

Revisionism is generally good, but sadly some revisionists do it not to reach more accurate historical truth, but to promote their own political arenda or ideology. Holocaust revisionists for an example are human filth...

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 07-01-2007, 11:26 AM

I dont understand how revisionism can be good at all? It is changing history? Sorry I dont understand what you mean by that.

07-01-2007, 12:27 AM	#1
ToughOmbre Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Jersey Shore Posts: 3,233	Two Japanese Talking A-Bombs Defense Minister Fumio Kyuma said the dropping of atomic bombs on Japan by the United States during World War II was an inevitable way to end the war, a news report said Saturday. "I understand that the bombing ended the war, and I think that it couldn't be helped," Kyodo News agency quoted Kyuma as saying in a speech at a university in Chiba, just east of Tokyo. Kyuma's remarks drew immediate criticism from Japanese atomic bomb survivors. "The U.S. justifies the bombings saying they saved many American lives," said Nobuo Miyake, 78, director-general of a group of victims living in Tokyo. "It's outrageous for a Japanese politician to voice such thinking. Japan is a victim." Japan a victim? Don't think the survivors of the Bataan Death March would agree. __________________ *“Let's get Enterprise* and Hornet turned into the wind."**

07-01-2007, 12:55 AM	#2
102first_hussars Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Edmonton,Alberta Posts: 2,259	This type of thing can be argued to death with no progress __________________ Hello me...meet the real me. And my misfits way of life. A dark black past is my Most valued possession. Hindsight is always 20-20, But looking back its still a bit fuzzy. Speak of mutually assured destruction? Nice story...tell it to readers digest!!!

07-01-2007, 01:18 AM	#3
evangilder "Shooter" Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Moorpark, CA Posts: 14,809	Ask the people of China, Korea, the Philippines and many others if Japan was the victim... Maybe if the young Japanese were taught the truth about what happened, they might have a better understanding. __________________ http://www.vg-photo.com For once you have tasted flight you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards, for there you have been and there you will long to return. Leonardo Da Vinci

07-01-2007, 01:22 AM	#4
FLYBOYJ IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Colorado, USA Posts: 16,051	I say fly "FIFI" over Hiroshima and Nagasaki every August. F#ck em... Nobuo Miyake apparently was a survivor - well you could kiss my American ass, I hope your kidneys glow when you piss! __________________ "IF ITS RED OR DUSTY, DON'T TOUCH IT"

07-01-2007, 01:25 AM	#5
evangilder "Shooter" Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Moorpark, CA Posts: 14,809	Or something burns when he pees....Wait, that might just be the clap. __________________ http://www.vg-photo.com For once you have tasted flight you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards, for there you have been and there you will long to return. Leonardo Da Vinci

07-01-2007, 01:25 AM	#6
FLYBOYJ IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Colorado, USA Posts: 16,051	__________________ "IF ITS RED OR DUSTY, DON'T TOUCH IT"

07-01-2007, 01:34 AM	#7
102first_hussars Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Edmonton,Alberta Posts: 2,259	__________________ Hello me...meet the real me. And my misfits way of life. A dark black past is my Most valued possession. Hindsight is always 20-20, But looking back its still a bit fuzzy. Speak of mutually assured destruction? Nice story...tell it to readers digest!!!

07-01-2007, 02:54 AM	#8
Graeme Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 2,081	[QUOTE=FLYBOYJ;259340]I say fly "FIFI" over Hiroshima and Nagasaki every August. F#ck em... Was it the Confederate Air Force that had a display (mid 1970s?) where a 'mushroom cloud' pyrotechnic was exploded in unison with FIFI's flyover- which caused a stir in Japan and America? Also vaguely remember reading about a Smithsonian display of a partial(?) B-29 minus the history of Hiroshima and Nagasaki because the Institute didn't want to offend the Japanese (1995?)- which also caused a stir. Political correctness on both sides of the Pacific?

07-01-2007, 10:34 AM	#9
DerAdlerIstGelandet Der Crewchief Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ansbach, Germany Posts: 33,152	** em. They bitch because we wanted to end the war. What about all the crimes they commited. They dont teach that to there own people. They have never learned from there mistakes. I am going to stop now before I say things I should not say. __________________ fly boy:**"isnt that the first jet bomber becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles"[/I]

07-01-2007, 10:47 AM	#11
Cyrano Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 310	The Japanese should accept the real history and start their own healing process, just as the Germans have done for the past 60 years. Same thing for Russia, down there Stalin is still a hero and the red army "liberated" the Baltic countries from their capitalist and democratic leaders... __________________

07-01-2007, 10:53 AM	#12
trackend Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Canvey Island, Essex Posts: 4,029	From my old mans book Bills War "The dropping of the atomic bombs to those of us who had survived years of the war and were waiting to be ordered to land on the shores of japan meant that many thousands of men who would have died carrying out those orders would be able to go home. No wonder they cheered when they heard the news. Its easy to pass judgment sitting at home in an armchair. I believe that a great many more Jap lives would have been sacrificed had the invasion of the Japanese mainland gone ahead".

07-01-2007, 11:16 AM	#14
Cyrano Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 310	Revisionism is generally good, but sadly some revisionists do it not to reach more accurate historical truth, but to promote their own political arenda or ideology. Holocaust revisionists for an example are human filth... __________________

07-01-2007, 11:26 AM	#15
DerAdlerIstGelandet Der Crewchief Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ansbach, Germany Posts: 33,152	I dont understand how revisionism can be good at all? It is changing history? Sorry I dont understand what you mean by that. __________________ fly boy:"isnt that the first jet bomber becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles"[/I]

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