Who was the Greatest Leader of WWII? - Page 9 - Aircraft of World War II

trigger · 12-27-2007, 09:25 PM

What about Ike?

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 12-28-2007, 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by trigger

What about Ike?

Was Ike the President or the leader of the United States in WW2?

renrich · 01-14-2008, 03:01 PM

Ike did not become president until 1952. He was the Commander in Chief of SHAEF during WW2. I would not class him with Churchill.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 01-14-2008, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by renrich

Ike did not become president until 1952. He was the Commander in Chief of SHAEF during WW2. I would not class him with Churchill.

Yes I know. I was asking that because he said Ike was the best leader of the war and this was referring to Political leaders.

renrich · 01-14-2008, 04:37 PM

I believe that Ike was a good politician as a general having to deal with all the personalities in the Allied high command including Churchill, Monty, Patton, Alexander, DeGaulle, etc. I don't believe he was much of a strategist, for instance, compared to McArthur.

Urspolar27 · 01-15-2008, 08:33 AM

For myself.....Romanian Marshal Ion Antonescu

parsifal · 06-23-2008, 10:44 PM

I believe that Ike was a good politician as a general having to deal with all the personalities in the Allied high command including Churchill, Monty, Patton, Alexander, DeGaulle, etc. I don't believe he was much of a strategist, for instance, compared to McArthur

I dont know about that Richard. Eisenhower had an extraordinarily difficult job. With capable, but self opinionated subordinates like Patton, Monty, De Gaulle and even Mallory to contend with, he had a pretty tough assigment.

Also, by adopting the "broad front" strategy, he was minimising risk, whilst not allowing the germans to concentrate (the exception being, of course, the Ardennes counterattack). When the allies departed from this forula, such as at Arnhem, they got the worst of it.

I am a great fan of Eisenhower, Him and marshall are consistently underrated in my opinion

Big Rock · 07-05-2008, 02:27 AM

Of course I would have to go with Churchill. Truly a great motivator. The courage he helped instill in the British people, in the face of the greatest adversity of their day, was remarkable.

freebird · 07-05-2008, 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by renrich

I believe that Ike was a good politician as a general having to deal with all the personalities in the Allied high command including Churchill, Monty, Patton, Alexander, DeGaulle, etc. I don't believe he was much of a strategist, for instance, compared to McArthur. He was the Commander in Chief of SHAEF during WW2. I would not class him with Churchill.

If you are comparing "political leaders" perhaps. Churchill was not a brilliant strategist, in fact he was a rather poor Minister of Defence.

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Originally Posted by Big Rock

Of course I would have to go with Churchill. Truly a great motivator. The courage he helped instill in the British people, in the face of the greatest adversity of their day, was remarkable.

In this I agree, Churchill was an great leader of the British people.

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Originally Posted by parsifal

I believe that Ike was a good politician as a general having to deal with all the personalities in the Allied high command including Churchill, Monty, Patton, Alexander, DeGaulle, etc. I don't believe he was much of a strategist, for instance, compared to McArthur

I dont know about that Richard. Eisenhower had an extraordinarily difficult job. With capable, but self opinionated subordinates like Patton, Monty, De Gaulle and even Mallory to contend with, he had a pretty tough assigment.

I am a great fan of Eisenhower, Him and marshall are consistently underrated in my opinion

Again Marshall did a good job building up the US military as head of the army, but as a strategist he had some failings

JugBR · 07-11-2008, 07:55 AM

how about stalin ? soviet union was the only country that was invaded by germany and could beign free fighting back, you know what i mean ? the only nation invaded by germany and fights to expel them. and they did it.

btw, among the original leaders of the begining of the war, he was the only one who still in the power in post-war. with eastern europe under his authority and china under his influence.

besides the discussion about good or evil, love or hate, stalin should be one of the greatest leaders of ww2. and also one of the great winners of the conflict.

Njaco · 07-13-2008, 01:22 PM

and Stalin had to go scrambling for good generals since he killed most of them in the '30s. Yep, great leader.

renrich · 07-13-2008, 01:53 PM

Yep, Stalin was a great leader. He killed all of his closest competitors and terrorised the rest and if you were one of his generals and did not suit him you were eliminated. I still go with Churchill.

JugBR · 07-13-2008, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by renrich

Yep, Stalin was a great leader. He killed all of his closest competitors and terrorised the rest and if you were one of his generals and did not suit him you were eliminated. I still go with Churchill.

1939:

stalin and hitler signs a treaty, they agreed do not attack themselves and also beign neutral in case of some other power declares war against one of both.

also, and more important: they agreed to divide poland betwen them.

so, when germany invaded poland, the soviet army was in the borderline of this country then, when the last signal of polack resistance in varsaw was crushed, the soviet army invaded poland. isnt that true ?

so, ussr also invaded poland. why declares war just against germany ?

1941:

hitler brokes the treaty and attack ussr. england declares supports the soviet union against germany. the barbarossa operation is the largent military operation made by nazi germany, it counts with 70% of their army.

1945

after a brutal and agressive ofensive, the red army arrives in berlin:

in 1939 stalin negotiated with hitler a half of poland, now stalin has half europe, including half germany.

stalin, a butcher, a cheater, a dictator, a murder and also, the big winner of ww2.

thats my point.

freebird · 07-14-2008, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by 102first_hussars

Mackenzie King for me

Can any of the Canucks who voted for Mackenzie-King explain why they think he was a good leader?

Maestro · 07-15-2008, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by freebird

Can any of the Canucks who voted for Mackenzie-King explain why they think he was a good leader?

Go figure ! I don't get it myself. Why is he even in the list ?

View Poll Results: Who was the Greatest Leader of WWII?
UK: Winston Churchill	50	59.52%
USA: Franklin Roosevelt	16	19.05%
Russia: Stalin	5	5.95%
Germany: Adolf Hitler	6	7.14%
Japan: Emperor Hirohito	0	0%
France: Charles de Gaulle	5	5.95%
Denmark: King Christian X	1	1.19%
UK: King George VI	1	1.19%
US: Harry Truman	1	1.19%
Poland: Tadeusz Bór-Komorowski	1	1.19%
Italy: Benito Mussolini	2	2.38%
China: Chiang Kai-shek	0	0%
Finland: Risto Ryti	1	1.19%
Japan: Hideki Tojo	1	1.19%
Norway: Haakon VII	0	0%
Canada: William Lyon Mackenzie King	2	2.38%
Spain: Francisco Franco	0	0%
Morocco: Mohammed V	0	0%
Australia: John Curtin	3	3.57%
India: Subhash Chandra Bose	0	0%
Holland: Wilhelmina of the Netherlands	1	1.19%
Germany: Heinrich Himmler	0	0%
Other: Any other great leader you feel I have missed.	7	8.33%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 84. You may not vote on this poll

06-23-2008, 10:44 PM	#127
parsifal Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 2,493	I believe that Ike was a good politician as a general having to deal with all the personalities in the Allied high command including Churchill, Monty, Patton, Alexander, DeGaulle, etc. I don't believe he was much of a strategist, for instance, compared to McArthur I dont know about that Richard. Eisenhower had an extraordinarily difficult job. With capable, but self opinionated subordinates like Patton, Monty, De Gaulle and even Mallory to contend with, he had a pretty tough assigment. Also, by adopting the "broad front" strategy, he was minimising risk, whilst not allowing the germans to concentrate (the exception being, of course, the Ardennes counterattack). When the allies departed from this forula, such as at Arnhem, they got the worst of it. I am a great fan of Eisenhower, Him and marshall are consistently underrated in my opinion __________________ Do not judge on abilities, but on choices

07-13-2008, 01:22 PM	#131
Njaco The Pop-Tart Whisperer Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: South Jersey, United States Posts: 11,829	and Stalin had to go scrambling for good generals since he killed most of them in the '30s. Yep, great leader. __________________ "If you can read this, thank a teacher. If it's English, thank a soldier!" http://www.njcacoa.org/

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12-27-2007, 09:25 PM	#121
trigger Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: NY Posts: 1	What about Ike?

01-14-2008, 03:01 PM	#123
renrich Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Montrose, Colorado Posts: 3,525	Ike did not become president until 1952. He was the Commander in Chief of SHAEF during WW2. I would not class him with Churchill.

01-14-2008, 04:37 PM	#125
renrich Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Montrose, Colorado Posts: 3,525	I believe that Ike was a good politician as a general having to deal with all the personalities in the Allied high command including Churchill, Monty, Patton, Alexander, DeGaulle, etc. I don't believe he was much of a strategist, for instance, compared to McArthur.

01-15-2008, 08:33 AM	#126
Urspolar27 Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1	For myself.....Romanian Marshal Ion Antonescu

07-05-2008, 02:27 AM	#128
Big Rock Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 3	Of course I would have to go with Churchill. Truly a great motivator. The courage he helped instill in the British people, in the face of the greatest adversity of their day, was remarkable.

07-11-2008, 07:55 AM	#130
JugBR Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Campinas - SP Posts: 1,102	how about stalin ? soviet union was the only country that was invaded by germany and could beign free fighting back, you know what i mean ? the only nation invaded by germany and fights to expel them. and they did it. btw, among the original leaders of the begining of the war, he was the only one who still in the power in post-war. with eastern europe under his authority and china under his influence. besides the discussion about good or evil, love or hate, stalin should be one of the greatest leaders of ww2. and also one of the great winners of the conflict.

07-13-2008, 01:53 PM	#132
renrich Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Montrose, Colorado Posts: 3,525	Yep, Stalin was a great leader. He killed all of his closest competitors and terrorised the rest and if you were one of his generals and did not suit him you were eliminated. I still go with Churchill.