Who started WW2?

plan_D · 05-18-2006, 01:28 PM

The Allies of the Great War should have occupied Germany after World War I. Leaving the German soldiers to return home baring their colours and arms let the German people believe it was the politics that lost them the war, not the military actions of the Allies. Which led Hitler to have a good foundation to blame the Jews and Communists on the loss of World War I.

Britain was, in fact, prepared to go to war with the USSR over Finland. The invasion of Norway was to take Narvick, and provide and overland route into Finland. This would have allowed the shipping of troops to hold the borders against the Red Army. But we all know history, Germany invaded France which forced Britain out of Norway and the idea was quashed.

Haztoys · 05-18-2006, 01:38 PM

Germany ...Did not start WW1 ... But gets the blame...

I could be wrong ...But they had sighed a treaty ..And got dragged into it ..

One thing I do not under stand is the Prussia thing with the Nazis ....??

And did the Germans want Poland in WW1 ???..

Or is the Prussia ,,Poland,,,Low Lands grab ...Just a Nazi Need for land ... Or is there some "found" to the German need to that peace of land ...

Its sad after the USSR brakes up .... The Serbs ...And The Crowads...Start at it ...The minute they get a chance ...

Thats who started WW1

plan_D · 05-18-2006, 01:46 PM

No one said anything about Germany starting World War I, f*cknut.

Haztoys · 05-18-2006, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by plan_D

No one said anything about Germany starting World War I, f*cknut.

F*cknut ...Wow ..was that needed .. What did I do ??

Is were I was getting at..."F*cknut"

"'Is germany real payed for what they got draged in too..."

Looks like I've posted anuff on this (to much)

have fun

plan_D · 05-18-2006, 04:01 PM

You really need to read a little more of the people here before you instantly get offended by f*cknut.

syscom3 · 05-18-2006, 06:24 PM

I dont see any reason for calling a newbie a "fu*knut" when he didnt say anything out of the ordinary.

plan_D · 05-19-2006, 06:52 AM

How long have you been here syscom, I'll call you a f*cknut for butting in like you always do. And yes, it was a stupid thing to make a comment about Germany getting blamed for starting World War I ... when we're talking about who started World War II.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 05-19-2006, 08:13 AM

I actually said something about Germany getting blaimed because it was something that helped in the Nazi cause for the start of WW2.

plan_D · 05-19-2006, 08:16 AM

I know, but still you didn't say anything about Germany starting World War I. You just said they get blamed for it, which could have been left alone. In fact, to finish this discussion for both wars -

Serbia started World War I.
Germany started World War II.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 05-19-2006, 09:01 AM

Exactly

syscom3 · 05-19-2006, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by plan_D

How long have you been here syscom, I'll call you a f*cknut for butting in like you always do. And yes, it was a stupid thing to make a comment about Germany getting blamed for starting World War I ... when we're talking about who started World War II.

Ive been here long enough to know to ignore it.

The newbies dont and had a right to get pissed off on it.

Udet · 05-19-2006, 02:15 PM

syscom3 is very correct. The insults launched at Haztoys were ridiculously unnecessary.

Strange no warning has been issued.

evangilder · 05-19-2006, 03:06 PM

Alright, knock it off, guys.

syscom3 · 05-19-2006, 03:47 PM

back on topic.

For the war in Asia, the Japanese see the issues differently.

They saw themselves as the natural colonial master of Asia (remember, after WW1, Germany lost all its territories in the Pacific, many of them to Japan). Their attitude was if the other European nations could conquor lands and colonize them, why cant an asia country do it too?

While they were very brutal about it, they saw their conduct under their own cultural rules.

NOTE - BEFORE ANYONE STARTS THROWING DARTS AT ME, IM REPORTING FACTS. IN NO WAY DO I APPROVE OF WHAT JAPAN DID!!!!!

timshatz · 05-19-2006, 04:03 PM

If anyone wants to read a recent book on the origins of WW1, try reading "Europe's Last Summer". Very good read. Puts out the theory that the Serbian/Austrian, relatively local conflict changed when Russia did a partial mobilization and Germany reponded to it by mobilizing. After that, Germany expected Austria to ignore the lesser threat of Serbia (which was something of a conflict of convenience) and help Germany with Russia (the far greater threat of the two). Also states that Germany feared Russia to the point that it needed to bring on the war before Russia got too big to handle due to expansion of Russian industrial/economic sector. Good read, not fast but interesting idea and decently supported by the facts.

Regarding the war with Japan in the 40s, another good and recent book is "Shattered Sword". Book came out last fall. It does a good job of covering the basics of why Japan went to war, the gaps in their strategy and why Japan felt slighted by the Western Powers. The book is focused on the Japanese side of the Battle of Midway, refuting a many of the myths of the battle (the decks of the Japanese Carriers had no aircraft on them when the American Dive bombers hit them at 10:20Am, the sacrifice of Torpedo 8 happened an hour before the dive bombers hit negating the affect on the cap of bringing it down to sea level, ect). The book is rigorously researched and a very good read. Heard somebody who's read a ton of WW2 history call it the best book he's ever read on the subject and that covers a ton of books.