Who would win the western allies or Russia?

[delcyros]

With capturing Peenemünde and Wielke Pavlovice the russians did got tons of material like SAM, radar equipment and proximity tech.
With capturing the Spandau production plant, the soviets even got the best of the german airborne radar equippment and even a few of the experimental FuG 244.
Records show that Moscow had an excellent AA defense system and since they could concentrate on fewer cities (unlike the Germans), the defense was more intensive than you might estimate.
B-29 flying at hi alt and night would have been barely stoppable by the means of the PVO in 45, that´s correct.

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Originally Posted by delcyros

The B-29 production already was at full scale since mid 44. Only in case the B17/B-24 program as well as the B-32 program would have been cancelled I see a chance to increase the B-29 output significantly.

Um where did I say anything about increasing production, now you are just feeding words into my mouth. I said they would rush the ones they had into service quicker. You said that less than a thousand were DEPLOYED. Trust me if the United States wanted to DEPLOY THEM QUICKER they could have. The definition of deploying is sending them to an operational area not building them. Trust me I know what deploying is. I have been deployed 3 times. Also the United States could build more and more quicker than you think, if they had to. A country that coudl build a Liberty Ship a week could put out more B-29's if they wanted too.

[schwarzpanzer]

The Shvetsov engined MiG 9 seems to be a good high-altitude piston-engined fighter bet.

It could fit say, 3x 20mm cannons plus 2 .50's.

Thing is, to take on a Mustang it would be better off with the .50's, but only the hub cannon?

It seems though that radial engines are not good for high altitude performance?

There was a good Soviet V-engine, the AM-38. Dropped for the MiG, so it could be made instead for the IL-2 (a huge mistake IMHO). If that had been used in the MiG...

[delcyros]

Now I can add that PVO since april 42 was in possesion of airborne radar for night interceptions.
Grief-II was a modified radar based on german tech aquired in 1940. It was tested in late 41 on a modified Pe-2 succesfully and become deployed in early 42 for PVO Moscow.
First succesful use was in august 42.
Since late 44 equippment was improved by a number of english radar but they found it to be complicated to be operated by PVO. It wasn´t until mid 45 that more improved airborne radar tech became avaiable for PVO.

[the lancaster kicks ass]

sounds like whatever radar the VVS did use was primitive, the British were world leaders in RADAR technology, we managed to beat some of the large german ground based radars, russian ones shouldn't be a problem..........

[delcyros]

That I cannot denie.
VVS would have a bad surprise with technical warfare of UK.
I just had to outline that - unlike most estimations - the soviets developed
airborne radar in ww2.

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

The Russians always had problems with there radar. Just to make the Su-27 and Mig-29 on the same level as the F-15 and F-14 they had to practically steel and copy the radars that were in them, and this was the 1970s so it would have been worse in the 1945-1950 range.

[HealzDevo]

I notice that you forget one key thing with regard to bombers. The B-36 Peacemaker would have seen service if there had been a Soviet Attack as an ultra-heavy bomber. Basically considering it was twice as large as the B-29 and had a great range, it could have done the Russians a lot of damage. It was ready at this stage but was used as a Recon Plane with the ability to fly deep into Russia and back. That would have been scary for the Russians, at least at first. Look at the U-2 that they could detect but couldn't really do anything about until an SA-2 Grail SAM brought down Gary Powers U-2...

[Cojimar 1945]

US production capacity surpassed that of the USSR. It appears that US production during the war was beyond that of any of the other combatants. For example, the US apparently surpassed the USSR by a wide margin in production of iron ore, crude steel, aluminum and coal. In some of these areas the gap is enormous and frankly the USSR is nowhere close.

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

And that would be the main reason the Soviets could not have won against the western allies because of the allied production. Besides they all wanted to end the war as it was anyhow.

[HealzDevo]

What do people think of the idea of the use of a B-36 Peacemaker being used against Russia early on? We know that at least for a number of years, early on during the Cold War, the B-29 Stratofortress cruised around without being able to be hit, so during those years what fear would a B-36 Peacemaker cause even if it was just armed with conventional bombs considering its payload was greater than a B-29?

[chemurgyinstitution]

Did the cold war front end in the jelling of fuels on the western front. ? was that diesel fuel? Does anyone know if the high octane Allied fuels were made with ethanol and not methanol? Are there threads related to aviation fuels and diesel?

[HealzDevo]

Not so far as I know. But we know the Germans panicked when the B-29 Stratofortresses were flying over very high, so what about B-36 Peacemakers that have a larger bomb-load flying over and decimating Russian cities...

[Glider]

Originally Posted by HealzDevo

Not so far as I know. But we know the Germans panicked when the B-29 Stratofortresses were flying over very high, so what about B-36 Peacemakers that have a larger bomb-load flying over and decimating Russian cities...

Germans panicked? As far as I am aware the B29 didn't fly over Germany so who panicked?

[HealzDevo]

Opps, sorry the Russians panicked. So if B-29s with a smallish bomb-load could do that, imagine what B-36 Peacemakers armed with incindary bombs could do to Russian cities! Any thoughts on how the B-36 Peacemaker introduction would have affected a war against Russia in 1946?