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Old 06-19-2009, 02:13 PM   #46
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I know that the Collings has one but it's in major rebuild. Seems many problems in the systems of the "original" from the manufacturer so they have to do some major rebuilds.

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Old 06-20-2009, 02:33 AM   #47
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I know that the Collings has one but it's in major rebuild. Seems many problems in the systems of the "original" from the manufacturer so they have to do some major rebuilds.

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Hmmmmm....... Like what????
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Old 06-20-2009, 05:53 PM   #48
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Hey guys regarding the canopy: It's been made a slight bit taller because of the large flight helmets worn today, to keep the guy from budding his head against the canopy all the time. They didn't have solid flight helmets back in the day, it was just padded leather.

Other than that it is a perfect reproduction, even the CG is 100% correct. The engines are also of the exact same weight as the original Jumo 004B's because of the casted block around the GE engine to give it the exact same dimensions of the Jumo 004.
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Other than that it is a perfect reproduction, even the CG is 100% correct. The engines are also of the exact same weight as the original Jumo 004B's because of the casted block around the GE engine to give it the exact same dimensions of the Jumo 004.
Yes, I had heard that, also; they've also de-rated the J-85's so that Vmax wouldn't be exceeded in level flight. The only major "improvements" over the original Me's (besides the J-85's) are a stronger nose gear (through the use of better materials), and the addition of modern safety equipmenyt, such as IFF transponders and navigation lights.

BTW, does anyone know if the repro Me's are rated for IFR? I suspect that, due to their nature, they are a VFR aircraft only.
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BTW, does anyone know if the repro Me's are rated for IFR? I suspect that, due to their nature, they are a VFR aircraft only.
Most experimental exhibition jets are issued an ops letter that will specify that. My guess the feds gave it "VFR Only."
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Most experimental exhibition jets are issued an ops letter that will specify that. My guess the feds gave it "VFR Only."
That was my guess; the original Me's didn't have enough instruments to qualify them for modern-day IFR.
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That was my guess; the original Me's didn't have enough instruments to qualify them for modern-day IFR.
Actually it might but its the FSDO that are reluctant to give and former military or "homebuilt" combat type jet aircraft IFR approval, the liability is too great. If they are going to do it, the feds will make sure the aircraft is operated away from large cities.
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Perhaps the engines were derated, b ut the thrust is still considerably higher than the originals. The you-tube film describes them as maximimum speed 560 knots "just like the originals" which isn't really accurate.

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Perhaps the engines were derated, b ut the thrust is still considerably higher than the originals. The you-tube film describes them as maximimum speed 560 knots "just like the originals" which isn't really accurate.

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Yes, they are; IIRC, there is a sticker on the dashboard that ADVISES pilots NOT to exceed 560 KIAS, even though the a/c is fully capable of hitting 600 KIAS. Here is what the official website of the Me-262's, Stormbirds.com, has to say about that:

"In purely theoretical terms, the added power of the J-85 should give the new production Me 262s a speed advantage of at least 75 miles per hour over any previous generation Me 262.

The fact remains that the airframe was never designed to handle the stress loads encountered at speeds in the 600 mile per hour range. To push the aircraft into this environment simply because additional power "happens to be available" is a highly dangerous and ill-advised move.

In the interest of safety, the Me 262 Project will be placing a placarded airspeed limitation upon the jets in the vicinity of 500 MPH. The official position of the project is that there is simply no need -- or benefit -- in flying these aircraft any faster."
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The last time I saw the 262 she was having her landing gear uplock system and motors worked on. I have some shots I will post below. The fellas are doing a lot of work to get all the bugs out so she will be a GREAT jet when she rolls out.

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Hi Stitch,

My "isn't really accurate" was a comment on the 560 knots not being "just like the originals", so we are basically saying the same thing.

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Yes, they are; IIRC, there is a sticker on the dashboard that ADVISES pilots NOT to exceed 560 KIAS, even though the a/c is fully capable of hitting 600 KIAS. Here is what the official website of the Me-262's, Stormbirds.com, has to say about that:

"In purely theoretical terms, the added power of the J-85 should give the new production Me 262s a speed advantage of at least 75 miles per hour over any previous generation Me 262.

The fact remains that the airframe was never designed to handle the stress loads encountered at speeds in the 600 mile per hour range. To push the aircraft into this environment simply because additional power "happens to be available" is a highly dangerous and ill-advised move.

In the interest of safety, the Me 262 Project will be placing a placarded airspeed limitation upon the jets in the vicinity of 500 MPH. The official position of the project is that there is simply no need -- or benefit -- in flying these aircraft any faster."
That last line is like having a rail dragster and limiting it to highway speeds. They may be right but wouldn't it be nice to go from point A to point B as fast as you could safely. I'm a racer so, I'm kinda biased to "let's go faster" attitude. Sorry guys. Um... I'll leave now.

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It'd be interesting for someone to get ahold of the plans for the "Amerika Bomber" (Ho-18 ) that was in the drawingboard stages (nearing actual production stages, IIRC) when Germany surrendered. THAT beast would be a sight to behold!
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Old 06-30-2009, 02:59 AM   #59
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The collings 262 was supposed to be at the fly in I went to at the Heber airport in Utah. It even said in the newspaper it was going to be there. It was the main reason I went but it wasn't a total loss the B-24 was there and their B-17g also their TP51C Mustang.
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I wonder if they'll make a repo of the Go-229 ? That could be interesting! But also dangerous I suspect.
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