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| Senior Member | Gladiators of World War II : Waffen SS Greetings ladies and gentlemen. I just fount that on YouTube. They say they were only soldiers following orders... I can understand that comming from a Wermacht, Luftwaffe or Kriegsmarine officer, but comming from a Waffen SS soldier ?!? No way ! That is bullsh*t. They are only trying to save their asses. Part 1 : YouTube - Waffen SS 1/5 Part 2 : YouTube - Waffen SS 2/5 Part 3 : YouTube - Waffen SS 3/5 Part 4 : YouTube - Waffen SS 4/5 Part 5 : YouTube - Waffen SS 5/5 Enjoy ! Last edited by Maestro; 10-15-2007 at 12:06 AM. |
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| the ss were, and are, despicable. dj |
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| Senior Member | I dont understand the adjetive "gladiators" applied to the SS, nice vids aniways. |
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| Read some history This is an aircraft site but read some history before tarnishing the whole Waffen SS with the ubiquitous 'SS' brush. These soldiers were indeed Gladiators... just ask their opponents! |
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... and Gladiators? Well, not a term I'd use, far too much hyperbole, but if there ever was a man fitting that description it would be: Joachim Peiper
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| I think a lot of people confuse the Waffen SS with the Algemeine SS. Now having said that, most atrocities and war crimes committed by the Germans were committed by both forms of the SS.
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| Very true. An excellent book on a particular unit is "Das Reich" by Max Hastings, examining the circumstances of the Oradour-sur-Glane incident in detail.
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| Adler, wasn't the Allgemeine SS a more "generic" form of the Waffen SS, where the true "bad guys" were from the Waffen SS? I put those words in quotes because I mean them in very general terms.
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It's a very difficult subject to be objective about, for every honourable SS man like Paul Hausser you have on the other hand despicable psychopaths like Oskar Dirlewanger. So, as ever, the truth lies somewhere in the middle.
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| There are a lot of differences between the "Allgemeine SS" and the Waffen SS".. And even differences in the Waffen SS too... No excuse for warcrimes from EVERY unit or formation.. but "damning" the whole Waffen SS is wrong.. The real "Bastards" were the "Totenkopf-Verbände" This special unit was in duty in the KZ´s and other horrible Places. In Fact the Waffen SS was a "Elite-Coprs".. I would like to compare it with the Marines or other units... At the end of the war very much guys had no choice.. They were simply "drawn" into the SS units.. Even a lot aof Aircrews of the Kampfgeschwader. When the KG´s changed to KG(J) the The "supernumerary" crewmembers (Radio Op´s, Gunners, Observers) was transferred either to a Luftwaffen Felddivision or even the Waffen-SS....
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| ....and you also have the fact that the Waffen SS became a kind of "French Foreign Legion" in that it recruited Dutch, French, Norwegian and Danish members amongst other nationalities. There was also a small British contingent recruited from POW's called the British Freikorp. A lot of these people were mostly politically motivated against Communism, not some ridiculous theory of racial purity or anti semitism.
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| "Shooter" ![]() | I partly agree, Maximowitz. There were some of the Ukrainian SS units that were extremely brutal, as well as some of the other foreign units.
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| Quite so. You have the Kaminski Brigade in mind? The whole thing has more grey areas than my hair. I'm off back to my love of hopeless Luftwaffe twins, my next thread will be "Bf 110 vs Space Shuttle" or "Me 410 vs F22 Raptor."
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| The Waffen SS were soldiers. They fought at the front and were no more involved in war crimes then any other units at the front. There was proven to be warcrimes committed by both sides during WWII as would happen in any total war. The Allgemine SS were the despicable ones and were involved in some very sinister things. Some of the Waffen SS units who were involved and formed for anti-partisan missions, such as the 7./SS "Prinz Eugen" have a very bad record indeed as only fighting armed civilians would cause.
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| "Shooter" ![]() | There were 38 divisions of SS, some units were barbarians, while other served like normal soldiers. But the barbarity of the worse units tarnish any image of the SS. Here is an example, from Wikipedia, but it is documented elsewhere: Quote:
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